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Originally posted by LiveCoug
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No, they wouldn't. Which is why it is such a concern. Also, the Texas/OU threat has been neutralized with the granting of TV rights to the B12, so this mega-expansion has raised some eyebrows on the West Coast.Fitter. Happier. More Productive.
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The PAC really has no viable options when it comes to teams in the West. There are no stellar academic universities that fit the bill. UNLV has great basketball and a decent media market (not that this media market is paying attention to UNLV) but a terrible football program. SDSU is in the same boat with a little better football program. Boise is a joke academically and in sports other than football. Fresno? Meh.Originally posted by LiveCoug View PostComment
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It's incredibly sad that we feel like we can't even mention the BYU when referring to potential PAC expansion.Originally posted by USU Coug View Post
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The rational side of me likes to think that if pushed into a corner, the PAC wouldn't not take BYU to just to spite itself. But the neurotic in me thinks they probably would.Originally posted by LiveCoug View PostIt's incredibly sad that we feel like we can't even mention the BYU when referring to potential PAC expansion.Comment
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It's more like the realist in you that thinks that. Besides all of the baggage we had before now we have the Utes who will have a vested interest in keeping us out.Originally posted by USU Coug View PostComment
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I hear people say this all the time - that if the other major conferences go to 14 or 16 teams that the PAC has to expand as well. People say it like there's no question about it at all.Originally posted by TripletDaddy View Post
WHY????
There is no other conference picking off members of the PAC, and its unlikely to happen, so you won't see expansion just for the sake of expansion like you see in the ACC/BE/B12.
It would have to make sense financially for the PAC to expand to 16, and there are not 4 teams in the footprint of the conference that would generate more revenue per team if added. Even if the B12, SEC and B1G all go to 16 teams, the Pac will continue on at 12, happy to pull in its $25M per team, and send its CCG winner to whatever playoff scenario develops.
Unless something fundamental changes in CFB or the BCS/Playoffs that requires a conference to have 16 members, the PAC will sit at 12 for the foreseeable future. Nothing else makes sense.Comment
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Something I have forgotten and I will bet most of you have, ESPN loves us.
They will be a big player in whatever goes forward and there is no way we will be left out.
Besides that, all the schools that were knocking on our door to play us I am sure want us in. If for no other reason to enhance the prestige of big time college football.Comment
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Why do you think that is going to happen?Originally posted by Indy Coug View Post"Be a philosopher. A man can compromise to gain a point. It has become apparent that a man can, within limits, follow his inclinations within the arms of the Church if he does so discreetly." - The Walking Drum
"And here’s what life comes down to—not how many years you live, but how many of those years are filled with bullshit that doesn’t amount to anything to satisfy the requirements of some dickhead you’ll never get the pleasure of punching in the face." – Adam CarollaComment
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It didn't make sense to expand from 10 and take two schools that were not rivals and geographically from the same area.Originally posted by BYUMizzou View Post
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Crap! I just checked and it looks like TDawgCoug has protected his Twitter account. Does anyone here have access? If so, please share. I would like to know what's going on re: BYU to the Big12.Comment
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Well it made sense to move to 12 (the championship game).Originally posted by TripletDaddy View Post"Be a philosopher. A man can compromise to gain a point. It has become apparent that a man can, within limits, follow his inclinations within the arms of the Church if he does so discreetly." - The Walking Drum
"And here’s what life comes down to—not how many years you live, but how many of those years are filled with bullshit that doesn’t amount to anything to satisfy the requirements of some dickhead you’ll never get the pleasure of punching in the face." – Adam CarollaComment
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Originally posted by YOhio View Post
I would however like to know if KC is still positive it will eventually happen.
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NJersey Coug chimes in:
As I have always shared from my friends, BYU likes Independence and still does. They enjoy their relationships with the WCC, however, they also feel the pressures of the changing landscape of college football. I've always maintained that BYU and sunday play is an issue (yes I know there are those who say it isn't, this is from what I've learned), so is BYUtv. BYUtv is not as simple of an issue as many may want to think it is, it's not going to go away to join the B12, and it can't be absorbed into the B12 contracts. And if BYU can continue to make independence work (which I continue to believe they are and will), that is the preferred route.
The talks between BYU and the B12 over the last six months are not as big as many on CB want others to believe they are. In fact, though they may have been going on, they were not "Sign on the dotted line and you're in" kind of talks. So don't believe those who think BYU botched a deal, there has never been one for them to botch.
As for FSU/Clemson. Yes, they want out of the ACC and have for some time. B12 is a back-up, and the B12 knows that. FSU/Clemson want into the SEC, and they will do what they can to get that invite. If they feel it never will come anytime soon, they may try to make a move to the B12, but don't be fooled, they want the SEC.
ND is in the same situation and you can mark my words. If they bolt independence, the ACC is their #1 target. There are to many ND alumn in ACC land, and including the admin of ND, who believe their culture and acadmeics are more in par with the ACC then any other conference (specifically Duke, NC, etc). The only thing that will keep them from joining the ACC is if they will loose to much money joining. But the ACC out of any of the BCS conferences will allow them to keep their own TV contract with NBC, a luxury they won't get in the B12, B10, or any other BCS conference. ND however is like BYU, they are still committed to Independence, and that should tell you something about BYU's chance of maintaining Independence.
BYU still has an opportunity for the B12, but it is not in their hands right now, nor has been. Next shoe to drop will be what FSU/Clemson does, and if the SEC will expand again (which at the time they most likely won't). After that, it will be what happens to the Big East, and does BSU/SDSU bolt back to the MWC?Comment
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BYU still likes independence. I have come to the conslusion this is true.Originally posted by YOhio View Post
It has taken many, many years for me to get they really don't care about being a big time player. I don't blame them. It was my fault I wanted to look at things consistent with my hopes.
It is a lot easier now that I have come to face reality. Easier on the pocketbook too.Comment
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