The Big 12 expansion groundswell

[woot]

Is this how it's worked with, for example, Notre Dame? I think not. What has happened is they called up the Notre Dame AD and said, "Come join us." The details would come later.

My point is that BYU would die to go to the Big 12; it's not being hard to get. Independence isn't working. We have a bunch of lore out there but the results we see in terms of scheduling are a big FAIL. Hitler got it exactly right.

BYU doesn't have any principles that would prevent this from happening other than Sunday play, and only because the LDS Church has put itself into a box being so high and mighty on this old fashioned issue.

Face it. The Big 12 hasn't wanted BYU. Stop participating in the BYU spin. It's disgusting.

It wouldn't have surprised me to learn that the Big 12 wasn't interested at all, but we're past that point. Unless you, in your wisdom, think the Big 12 is in the business of holding long negotiation sessions with schools they don't have any interest in, it would seem quite silly of you to insist that there's no interest.

[SeattleUte]

It wouldn't have surprised me to learn that the Big 12 wasn't interested at all, but we're past that point. Unless you, in your wisdom, think the Big 12 is in the business of holding long negotiation sessions with schools they don't have any interest in, it would seem quite silly of you to insist that there's no interest.

Do you know how long the negotiation sessions went? I don't think it's at all clear there were long negotiations.

You of all people should be vexed at the lack of forthrightness from BYU officials, recognize a long established pattern here (those prolix COB press releases that say nothing!), and remain steadfastly sceptical of anything BYU says publicly.

[creekster]

Do you know how long the negotiation sessions went? I don't think it's at all clear there were long negotiations.

You of all people should be vexed at the lack of forthrightness from BYU officials, recognize a long established pattern here (those prolix COB press releases that say nothing!), and remain steadfastly sceptical of anything BYU says publicly.

Guess who else has no clue how long those sessions lasted?

[Omaha 680]

It wouldn't have surprised me to learn that the Big 12 wasn't interested at all, but we're past that point. Unless you, in your wisdom, think the Big 12 is in the business of holding long negotiation sessions with schools they don't have any interest in, it would seem quite silly of you to insist that there's no interest.

It's obvious. They spent weeks talking about Rodin and an apololgy for the Priesthood ban. When BYU wouldn't cave, TCU received the invite instead.

[All-American]

Hitler got it exactly right.

a shocking statement, there. It would make for a great signature quote.

[SeattleUte]

Guess who else has no clue how long those sessions lasted?

Well, in our shared profession, if there is no evidence of it that means it didn't happen. I don't blieve BYU isn't dying for Big 12 admission; that BYU decided it preferred independence is illogical and contrary to everything I know about its psyche and what it craves. What's BS is they're dickering over TV money and such.

As I've stated, it wouldn't surprise me if no Sunday play were enough reason for BYU to the Big 12 to be a non-starter. But LDS/BYU is in a box over that one. And that would be short hand for bigger concerns on Texas et al.'s part.

BYU was excluded from the Pac 12 for cultURAL issues. You all assume the Big 12 is so different. It's not. Texas may be a red state, but the power at UT is progressive in mindset.

[SeattleUte]

It's obvious. They spent weeks talking about Rodin and an apololgy for the Priesthood ban. When BYU wouldn't cave, TCU received the invite instead.

lol you're a fast learner. I doubt it took weeks though. In business there's what's called a courtesy interview.

[creekster]

Well, in our shared profession, if there is no evidence of it that means it didn't happen.

Really? I thought you were a litigator. Lack of evidence only means you cant prove it, not that it didn't happen.

[SeattleUte]

Really? I thought you were a litigator. Lack of evidence only means you cant prove it, not that it didn't happen.

No. They call the outcome a judgment, and the means to that end a fact finder or a fact finding for a reason. There ensue from a judgment all kinds of real life consequences the predicate of which is the judgment represents truth.

If there is no evidence of something the best available truth to us humans is it doesn't exist.

[creekster]

No. They call the outcome a judgment, and the means to that end a fact finder or a fact finding for a reason. There ensue from a judgment all kinds of real life consequences the predicate of which is the judgment represents truth.

If there is no evidence of something the best available truth to us humans is it doesn't exist.

Ok, that is a response worthy of a litigator. But as you well know the judicial standard for 'evidence' has little to do with the processes most people in the real world, from naive nincompoops to erudite scientists, evaluate data and reach decisions. The point is, you don't know what evidence exists by ANY standard. Except, of course, for the interview with Tom Holmoe, which you endorsed, and which supports the conclusions everyone but you has reached.

[Lost Student]

SU, I really appreciate the ASSistance you have provided to us in this thread by tempering our expectations, but I (and my fellow BYU fans) wonder if sometimes you are overly FACEtious.

[oxcoug]

Thank you Tom Holmoe. There was no offer. Now everyone here can stop debating this as if BYU rejected an offer. A discussion about what BYU needs to do to get an offer would comport with true facts and be more constructive.

There doesn't need to be an offer for there to be Letters of Intent and Memorandums of Understanding.

Those happened.

[Blueintheface]

SU, I really appreciate the ASSistance you have provided to us in this thread by tempering our expectations, but I (and my fellow BYU fans) wonder if sometimes you are overly FACEtious.

Very declASSe.

[USUC]

So... turns out that not only did ESPN not try to pull some strings to get its partner, BYU, in the Big-12 but is apart of the media partners to keep BYU out? Whaaaa?

[Uncle Ted]

Bama now supports adding Mizzou under one condition...

Alabama, which resides in the SEC minority of wanting No. 14 from the East Coast, would support Missouri if it joined the SEC East, not the West, multiple sources said. According to the sources, Alabama has two objectives: Keep its annual cross-division rivalry game against Tennessee, and not watch Auburn move to the East and possibly grow its recruiting presence in talent-rich Florida and Georgia.

Auburn is interested in moving to the East but if staying in the West and Missouri joining the East were necessary for expansion, Auburn likely would not stand in the way, according to a source.

Memo to Missouri: Get used to this type of pettiness in the SEC, where even the tiniest of potential football recruiting advantages becomes dissected.