The PAC 10 expansion groundswell

[myboynoah]

It's appropriate all this is being discussed in a thread triggered by Utah's movement 15 years ago. They are the poison that ultimately killed the conference of champions and the downstream effects of the infection is wrecking multiple smaller conferences. I'm just glad Utah's new conference mates recognize what they have been forced to take in.

The world needs to act now!

[Pelado]

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[myboynoah]

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Doesn't the MWC need two? If so, room for Clemson as well.

[BlueK]

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[Omaha 680]

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[Bo Diddley]

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That's what I thought when BYU kept beating people in the PAC during the Bronco years. I was surprised it took as long as it did to compete for the championship there.

[Joe Public]

Some of the local radio folks have been talking in recent years about the decline of West Coast football as a result of shifting local cultural values and priorities. There may be something to that.

So sorry, SU.

[Omaha 680]

Some of the local radio folks have been talking in recent years about the decline of West Coast football as a result of shifting local cultural values and priorities. There may be something to that.

So sorry, SU.

No need to feel sorry. SU taught us for years that what mattered most in conference trends and affiliations is the CULTure. This is just more evidence that he was right. Fielding a crappy football team is a badge of honor he can hold over his new truck stop conference.

[SeattleUte]

If three years ago a die hard Ute fan had a dream that Utah was stuck in an emasculated Big 12 with BYU and all these second tier schools and shit hole venues and the PAC 12 was tits up and Utah was in last place and BYU was in first and undefeated and top 10 and BYU was picked third in the conference in basketball with a top 15 recruiting class and Utah was picked last he'd wake up in a sweat sobbing and pinch himself and then laugh like hell and howl, "that was the worst most nonsensical nightmare I ever had!" And laugh like a lunatic.

Kind of funny, actually.

[Omaha 680]

If three years ago a die hard Ute fan had a dream that Utah was stuck in an emasculated Big 12 with BYU and all these second tier schools and shit hole venues and the PAC 12 was tits up and Utah was in last place and BYU was in first and undefeated and top 10 and BYU was picked third in the conference in basketball with a top 15 recruiting class and Utah was picked last he'd wake up in a sweat sobbing and pinch himself and then laugh like hell and howl, "that was the worst most nonsensical nightmare I ever had!" And laugh like a lunatic.

Kind of funny, actually.

[Pelado]

If three years ago a die hard Ute fan had a dream that Utah was stuck in an emasculated Big 12 with BYU and all these second tier schools and shit hole venues and the PAC 12 was tits up and Utah was in last place and BYU was in first and undefeated and top 10 and BYU was picked third in the conference in basketball with a top 15 recruiting class and Utah was picked last he'd wake up in a sweat sobbing and pinch himself and then laugh like hell and howl, "that was the worst most nonsensical nightmare I ever had!" And laugh like a lunatic.

Kind of funny, actually.

Didn't expect you to describe the Pac-12 additions to the Big 12 in those terms.

[falafel]

If three years ago a die hard Ute fan had a dream that Utah was stuck in an emasculated Big 12 with BYU and all these second tier schools and shit hole venues and the PAC 12 was tits up and Utah was in last place and BYU was in first and undefeated and top 10 and BYU was picked third in the conference in basketball with a top 15 recruiting class and Utah was picked last he'd wake up in a sweat sobbing and pinch himself and then laugh like hell and howl, "that was the worst most nonsensical nightmare I ever had!" And laugh like a lunatic.

Kind of funny, actually.

I love making up a hypothetical fan and then imbuing him with all the best attributes and beliefs. Makes him undefeatable!

[myboynoah]

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[Omaha 680]

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We will need a ruling from SU on how many trucks stop college towns are in the new Pac 12 vs the current Big 12.

[Green Monstah]

If three years ago a die hard Ute fan had a dream that Utah was stuck in an emasculated Big 12 with BYU and all these second tier schools and shit hole venues and the PAC 12 was tits up and Utah was in last place and BYU was in first and undefeated and top 10 and BYU was picked third in the conference in basketball with a top 15 recruiting class and Utah was picked last he'd wake up in a sweat sobbing and pinch himself and then laugh like hell and howl, "that was the worst most nonsensical nightmare I ever had!" And laugh like a lunatic.

Kind of funny, actually.

It's hilarious.

Utes were rightfully excited about the trajectory of their football program the last 20 years. But I think something Utah and BYU fanbases both have in common is an inflated sense of their own value and place in the world of college sports. And somehow, Utah fans eclipsed BYU in this way. And by eclipsed, I mean, overtook, and then lapped BYU fans several times.

So when BYU has a fortunate flag late in a game, but is then able to drive 55 yards on three plays in less than :30 of game time, and set itself up for a game-winning field goal, the Ute psyche cannot accept that their team was bested by the clearly better team (by any objective measurement). It has to be the refs fault. It has to be dirty play. It can't be because their QB play was horrific 3/4 of the game. It can't be that their O-Line crumbled in the second half. It can't be that their CB held a receiver (unnecessarily, I'll add). No, the only way BYU could be undefeated and trending upwards in the revenue sports is a grand conspiracy against Utah.

So, sit back and enjoy those sour grapes. Shit on the conference that threw you a lifeline, even after your fans, football coaches, and AD essentially proclaimed 1. they were too good for the conference, 2. that they're a national brand headed for B10, and 3. that they'd own the conference from day 1.

Maybe it's just a down year for Utah football. Or maybe, just maybe, the P12 (in spite of its amazing venues...Tucson, Tempe, Salt Lake, Pullman, Corvallis included) was not nearly as good or as prestigious as the Ute collective psyche believed.