The PAC 10 expansion groundswell

[Jeff Lebowski]

Oof. Dennis Dodds making the case that the P12 is on life support.

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Three high-ranking industry sources in the last week told CBS Sports they believe Yormark is going to be successful in luring at least some combination of Four Corners schools. Some went farther speculating the Pac-12 was a couple of weeks away from dissolving.

SU insists this never happened:

The irony is the Pac-12 had two chances to essentially break apart the Big 12 starting in 2010. That year, former Pac-12 commissioner Larry Scott failed in his attempt to lure half of the Big 12 to his league. In 2021, when Texas and Oklahoma left, the Pac-12 chose not to go after what was left of a crumbling Big 12. Former Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby moved quickly that summer to add BYU, Cincinnati, Houston and UCF.

P12 "expansion":

Pac-12 CEOs have reportedly authorized expansion by as many as four teams. However, one industry source notes that move may not be about expansion but rather backfilling the league should the Pac-12 lose those Four Corners schools -- or more. In other words, the likes of Colorado State and Fresno State wouldn't be expanding the Pac-12, they would be keeping it upright.

The Pac-12 cannot suffer the loss of "even two" teams and remain a viable Power Five conference, veteran media consult Neil Pilson told CBS Sports recently. "I don't think they can afford to lose even two more schools. I think if they end up back as the Pac-8 or Pac-10, [it will not be good]," Pilson said.

[Uncle Ted]

Oof. Dennis Dodds making the case that the P12 is on life support.

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SU insists this never happened:



P12 "expansion":

The latest rumor is Apple has pulled out. Does anyone know if ION tv is still in? I hope so.

[Pelado]

The latest rumor is Apple has pulled out. Does anyone know if ION tv is still in? I hope so.

Pulled out - so was there consummation or not?

[Donuthole]

Pulled out - so was there consummation or not?

They were just docking. Lots of grey area there on whether that constitutes consummation.

[myboynoah]

Oof. Dennis Dodds making the case that the P12 is on life support.

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SU insists this never happened:



P12 "expansion":

Good grief, there is a report like this from national media about every other day now. The PAC needs to nail down that media deal ASAP to shut them all up.

The latest on that:

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[myboynoah]

They were just docking. Lots of grey area there on weather that constitutes consummation.

lol

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[Uncle Ted]

Pulled out - so was there consummation or not?

The little hand signs imply not…

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[myboynoah]

uofutah responds to Dennis Dodd article.

In your face, Dennis Dodd!

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[Uncle Ted]

uofutah responds to Dennis Dodd article.

In your face, Dennis Dodd!

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Confirmed…. The Big 12 is not interested in UofUtah and only Arizona, Colorado, Oregon, and UW.

[Uncle Ted]

The B1G is only interested in two more PAC teams: Oregon and UW… And not Cal and Stanford because FoxSports doesn’t like them.

Hmm… I wonder if Cal and Stanford would like playing with BYU, Baylor, and TCU in the Big 12. Maybe not, and would like the MWC better.

[Uncle Ted]

So it seems that Utah (and ASU) "has (have) been leading a lot of the charge" to hold the Pac 12-2 together...

Opinion: Making Sense Of The Latest Pac-12 Media Rights Rumors
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Here is what I feel like I do know at this point that I can share.

1. I have multiple sources around Utah and the Pac-12 that have said from the start it is Utah’s desire to remain with the Pac-12. One of those sources with the Pac-12 specifically told me they talked with one of the higher-ups in the conference who is in all of the meetings, and they said Utah has been leading a lot of the charge. ASU was another school mentioned to me as being very invested in those meetings. Add in what John Canzano said last week in this article about having Colorado AD Rick George on record that they aren’t leaving for the Big 12 and the Tweet below from Utah Athletic Director Mark Harlan, it doesn’t sound like the so-called “Four Corner” schools are as interested in leaving as some of the reports have mentioned.
2. When news broke about USC and UCLA leaving for the Big Ten, I actively started looking into and musing about what every possible scenario could be for Utah specifically, and the Pac-12 generally. I left no stone unturned, Big Ten, SEC, ACC, Big 12 – all based on the rumors swirling around at the time. Speaking to everyone possible at this time was essential for checking the realignment pulse. I got feedback from a well-placed Utah official regarding the Big 12 rumors with a warning to watch out for bad sourcing. Fast forward to this past week, I was speaking with a Pac-12 source and the same warning was issued.

[...]

https://kslsports.com/499432/opinion...rights-rumors/

So Utah and ASU are trying to hold the conference together. The rumor about Arizona and Colorado talking to the Big 12 and this seems to confirm that they are not interested in Utah and ASU. Without a Big 12 "lifeboat" this is Utah's and ASU's only hope for remaining in a P5 conference.

[Jeff Lebowski]

So it seems that Utah (and ASU) "has (have) been leading a lot of the charge" to hold the Pac 12-2 together...

So Utah and ASU are trying to hold the conference together. The rumor about Arizona and Colorado talking to the Big 12 and this seems to confirm that they are not interested in Utah and ASU. Without a Big 12 "lifeboat" this is Utah's and ASU's only hope for remaining in a P5 conference.

Oh man. You quoted Michelle Bodkin?

[Uncle Ted]

Oh man. You quoted Michelle Bodkin?

Better than @MHver3, right? But they all seem to imply that Utah, ASU, OSU, WSU, and possibly even Cal and Stanford (given Fox is not willing to pay them B1G money) don’t have a lot of options if the PAC 12-2 collapses. It seems the best option in this situation for these schools if the Big 12 won’t take them is to get the ACC to expand but the money in that conference isn’t all that good. Just ask FSU and a few of the other ACC schools. In short, Utah and ASU are saying that the Big12 “four corner” rumors are false because the Big 12 is not talking to them. It seems the Big 12 is only talking to Arizona and Colorado because adding Utah and ASU (assuming they invite and add Arizona) doesn’t get them a lot more money from the networks. I assume that the Big 12 has a contract similar to what the ACC has where they get more money expanding into new states (and maybe new time zones). But if you ask any Ute fan they have lots of options: both the B1G and SEC want them. (Then why are they fighting so hard to keep the PAC 12-2 together?)

[Jeff Lebowski]

Better than @MHver3, right? But they all seem to imply that Utah, ASU, OSU, WSU, and possibly even Cal and Stanford (given Fox is not willing to pay them B1G money) don’t have a lot of options if the PAC 12-2 collapses. It seems the best option in this situation for these schools if the Big 12 won’t take them is to get the ACC to expand but the money in that conference isn’t all that good. Just ask FSU and a few of the other ACC schools. In short, Utah and ASU are saying that the Big12 “four corner” rumors are false because the Big 12 is not talking to them. It seems the Big 12 is only talking to Arizona and Colorado because adding Utah and ASU (assuming they invite and add Arizona) doesn’t get them a lot more money from the networks. I assume that the Big 12 has a contract similar to what the ACC has where they get more money expanding into new states (and maybe new time zones). But if you ask any Ute fan they have lots of options: both the B1G and SEC want them. (Then why are they fighting so hard to keep the PAC 12-2 together?)

Honestly, I think Michelle Bodkin is dumber than MHVer3. And probably less connected. That article is pure cringe.

[USUC]

Honestly, I think Michelle Bodkin is dumber than MHVer3. And probably less connected. That article is pure cringe.

What's funny is all these Pac-12 fans insisting Dodd is a tool just doing the Big-XII's bidding sharing Bodkin's article as nothing but facts and hard hitting journalism. I can't even do CFB twitter right now. It's absolutely ridiculous.