The PAC 10 expansion groundswell

[Solon]

LOL. And nothing of Top Ute's prophecy? Rape and pillage are strong words.

There are lots of false prophets out there too.

Do you really believe that BYU athletics are about to be irrelevant?

In all seriousness and, this is just my opinion (I have to be careful here because I don't want to inflame or sound like I'm trolling, because I'm not), I think the byu is going to have real trouble staying competitive in athletics. I think 30 years from now we'll see this as a turning-point. Of course, a lot of things can and will change, but I think this decision is pretty solid indication of how the rest of the US views the byu. As just or unjust as that might be.

[Flystripper]

There are lots of false prophets out there too.



In all seriousness and, this is just my opinion (I have to be careful here because I don't want to inflame or sound like I'm trolling, because I'm not), I think the byu is going to have real trouble staying competitive in athletics. I think 30 years from now we'll see this as a turning-point. Of course, a lot of things can and will change, but I think this decision is pretty solid indication of how the rest of the US views the byu. As just or unjust as that might be.

Other than the rivalry game why would Utah in the Pac10 have any influence on whether BYU is competitive in 30 years? BYU may be where you think they will be in 30 years, but it will have nothing to do with Utah being in the Pac10. If conference consolidation continues and BYU is the only school still left out, then I can see your point.

As it stands now, not much has changed for BYU other than its rival has left for greener pastures. The MWC is still the same conference it was previously.

[Surfah]

In all seriousness and, this is just my opinion (I have to be careful here because I don't want to inflame or sound like I'm trolling, because I'm not), I think the byu is going to have real trouble staying competitive in athletics. I think 30 years from now we'll see this as a turning-point. Of course, a lot of things can and will change, but I think this decision is pretty solid indication of how the rest of the US views the byu. As just or unjust as that might be.

I don't think you're necessarily off with this assessment. But I think you're wrong that this is BYU's issue alone. I think what you've stated can be and is applicable to probably 75% of collegiate athletic programs.

30 years from now college athletics will hardly resemble what they do today.

[Top Ute]

Probably. But then again I have this feeling your definiton of rape and pillage will mean 8 wins. So maybe not.

One goofy comment deserves another.

[Surfah]

One goofy comment deserves another.

Nice back pedal. You should own your goofy comments. SU is the king of that. I marvel at how he can post his garbage without so much as flinching.

[LA Ute]

30 years from now college athletics will hardly resemble what they do today.

I hope you are wrong but I fear you are right.

[LA Ute]

I get a server error:

Something was changed. It worked when I started - it came from Ted Miller's blog:

http://espn.go.com/blog/pac10/post/_/id/11197/new-pac-10-logo-and-football-video

I'll see if I can find the link again. This is YOhio's work, I suspect.

(EDIT: Actually it looks like the PAC10 killed the link so they can do a big rollout tomorrow. Miller must have jumped the gun.)

[Surfah]

I hope you are wrong but I fear you are right.

Me too.

[LA Ute]

Other than the rivalry game why would Utah in the Pac10 have any influence on whether BYU is competitive in 30 years?

It's all about cosmic forces. BYU will have lost its yin, and will now be just a lonely yang in the MWC. Utah, OTOH, will find a new yang in Colorado, which is located in a place where a lot of people actually buy Chinese philosophy.

[beelzebabette]

It's all about cosmic forces. BYU will have lost its yin, and will now be just a lonely yang in the MWC. Utah, OTOH, will find a new yang in Colorado, which is located in a place where a lot of people actually buy Chinese philosophy.

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[SeattleUte]

LOL.

Look at you know. Telling me that I should defer to the authorities and their greater judgment and wisdom. More irony.

There's a difference between deferring to experts and being the the thrall of a cult figure.

[Portland Ute]

Other than the rivalry game why would Utah in the Pac10 have any influence on whether BYU is competitive in 30 years? BYU may be where you think they will be in 30 years, but it will have nothing to do with Utah being in the Pac10. If conference consolidation continues and BYU is the only school still left out, then I can see your point.

As it stands now, not much has changed for BYU other than its rival has left for greener pastures. The MWC is still the same conference it was previously.

Agreed.

[wally]

Do you know what due dilligence is? Do you think you know more than people who did that for the Pac? I promise you that if the Big 12 surprises me and invites BYU you won't hear me questioning the Big 12's judgment. I'm trained to defer to the specialists, which is why I never question Whit's choice of starting quarterback for example. Maybe engineers are different.

Of course we’re different. Engineers, like economists, only care about end results. Unfortunately nobody ever takes us seriously. I blame the pocket protectors and plaid clothing.

I do think that the PAC-10 has assumed more risk in this venture than Utah has. As a Ute fan I feel sort of like when my wife agreed to marry me.

[Solon]

Other than the rivalry game why would Utah in the Pac10 have any influence on whether BYU is competitive in 30 years? BYU may be where you think they will be in 30 years, but it will have nothing to do with Utah being in the Pac10. If conference consolidation continues and BYU is the only school still left out, then I can see your point.

As it stands now, not much has changed for BYU other than its rival has left for greener pastures. The MWC is still the same conference it was previously.

Sure. I think that Utah going to another conference is a symptom of the byu's problems. Not the problem in itself. I think that the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer (in college football - the sport that drives the bus). What I think we've seen this offseason is how other schools view the byu and its inextricable involvement with LDS issues. Based on athletics alone, the byu shouldn't be considered one of the "poor" teams, but the LDS-related issues (academic freedom, liberalism, social issues, etc.) are only going to make the gulf wider in the future, IMO.

The byu will continue to have success in the mwc and against whatever teams it plays from other conferences, but - in my mind, at least - it has now become clearer than ever that the byu will forever be an outsider, or at least even more marginalized in comparison with its peer institutions.

So, the byu can win all its games every year in every sport, but they're going to have to address some fundamental issues of their university and academic culture if they are going to gain acceptance from peer institutions. I doubt the byu will cave on those issues.

That's why I think this is a watershed moment for the byu and its athletic programs. As the rich schools get more advantages at the expense of the poorer schools, the byu will struggle to maintain both its religiously based ideals and its athletic competitiveness.

[Flystripper]

Sure. I think that Utah going to another conference is a symptom of the byu's problems. Not the problem in itself. I think that the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer (in college football - the sport that drives the bus). What I think we've seen this offseason is how other schools view the byu and its inextricable involvement with LDS issues. Based on athletics alone, the byu shouldn't be considered one of the "poor" teams, but the LDS-related issues (academic freedom, liberalism, social issues, etc.) are only going to make the gulf wider in the future, IMO.

The byu will continue to have success in the mwc and against whatever teams it plays from other conferences, but - in my mind, at least - it has now become clearer than ever that the byu will forever be an outsider, or at least even more marginalized in comparison with its peer institutions.

So, the byu can win all its games every year in every sport, but they're going to have to address some fundamental issues of their university and academic culture if they are going to gain acceptance from peer institutions. I doubt the byu will cave on those issues.

That's why I think this is a watershed moment for the byu and its athletic programs. As the rich schools get more advantages at the expense of the poorer schools, the byu will struggle to maintain both its religiously based ideals and its athletic competitiveness.

maybe, maybe not.

Certainly the pac10 feels this way about BYU but as far as the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer it looks like things stayed about the same. The Pac 10 and Big 10 got a championship game. The Big 12 lost a championship game. The Pac10 will get a better TV deal but their deal was an absolute Joke. The Big 10 tv deal stays about the same. The Big 12 deal got better but they lost a championship game.

I think you are overstating the significance of the changes that happened this summer. Sure it was huge for Utah, but the rest of the college football landscape stayed pretty much the same. The net effect was one more championship game in college football and a new TV deal for the Pac 10.