NBA 2013-2014

[cougjunkie]

Best NBA career - Damian Lillard. His peak is better than Miller's peak, although he may not last as long in the league as Miller
Best college career - Andre Miller. Being the best player on a final four team and elite eight team, gives him the edge. Throw in a sweet 16 run for good measure as a freshman.
Best overall college/NBA - Andre Miller.

This is comical.

[cougjunkie]

I see Jimmer Fredette and Danny Ainge, but I don't see Andre Miller anywhere on this National Player of the year list. Can someone help me out?

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/m_bask...012/Awards.pdf

[MartyFunkhouser]

This is comical.

Let me guess for you:

Best college career. Jimmer Fredette. Just ignore his mediocre tournament success, he is the greatest. He scored lots of points on an uptempo team while allowing lots of points on the other end. He is the greatest. Ignore the fact he didn't start as a freshman, while Miller was hitting big shots at the end of the game to take his team to the sweet 16.
Best NBA career. Jimmer Fredette. He has been held down by coaches. He will prove himself the best soon enough once a coach realizes his greatness.
Best combined. Jimmer Fredette. Obviously.

[Eddie]

Best NBA career - Damian Lillard. His peak is better than Miller's peak, although he may not last as long in the league as Miller
Best college career - Andre Miller. Being the best player on a final four team and elite eight team, gives him the edge. Throw in a sweet 16 run for good measure as a freshman.
Best overall college/NBA - Andre Miller.

I think I know who turned in Davies to the honor code office.

Because going far in the tourney is ALWAYS about having 1 good player...

[YOhio]

Best college career. Jimmer Fredette. Just ignore his mediocre tournament success, he is the greatest. He scored lots of points on an uptempo team while allowing lots of points on the other end. He is the greatest. Ignore the fact he didn't start as a freshman, while Miller was hitting big shots at the end of the game to take his team to the sweet 16.
Best NBA career. Jimmer Fredette. He has been held down by coaches. He will prove himself the best soon enough once a coach realizes his greatness.
Best combined. Jimmer Fredette. Obviously.

[MartyFunkhouser]

I see Jimmer Fredette and Danny Ainge, but I don't see Andre Miller anywhere on this National Player of the year list. Can someone help me out?

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/m_bask...012/Awards.pdf

Yes because player of the year doesn't include other factors such as competition for the award.

Compare the competition that Fredette had for the award with Miller and get back to me.

[TripletDaddy]

Best college career. Jimmer Fredette. Just ignore his mediocre tournament success, he is the greatest. He scored lots of points on an uptempo team while allowing lots of points on the other end. He is the greatest. Ignore the fact he didn't start as a freshman, while Miller was hitting big shots at the end of the game to take his team to the sweet 16.
Best NBA career. Jimmer Fredette. He has been held down by coaches. He will prove himself the best soon enough once a coach realizes his greatness.
Best combined. Jimmer Fredette. Obviously.

[TripletDaddy]

Yes because player of the year doesn't include other factors such as competition for the award.

Compare the competition that Fredette had for the award with Miller and get back to me.

The committee compared jimmers competition with Wright's and decided that it was superior to a uconn/big east slate so they gave the award to Jimmer. Not sure why andre millers competition would be any better than Wrights.

[MartyFunkhouser]

I think I know who turned in Davies to the honor code office.

Because going far in the tourney is ALWAYS about having 1 good player...

So that is his excuse for his senior year, what is the excuse for his freshman through junior years?

Here is a little trivia. Keith Van Horn didn't play the first game of the NCAA tournament during Miller's freshman year. He also was limited in the second game of the tournament Miller's freshman year and Miller was the best player on the floor against Iowa St.

[Pelado]

Best college career - Andre Miller. Being the best player on a final four team and elite eight team, gives him the edge. Throw in a sweet 16 run for good measure as a freshman.

NBA draft picks from Utah that played with Miller:

Michael Doleac
Hanno Mottola
Keith Van Horn

NBA draft picks from BYU that played with Fredette:

None

Undrafted NBA players from Utah that played with Miller:

Britton Johnson

Undrafted NBA players from Utah that played with Fredette:

Brandon Davies

Did I miss anyone? Clearly, going to overtime in the Sweet Sixteen without the only other future NBA player from the team indicates that Jimmer was not as good a player as someone who advanced a couple rounds further while sharing the court with four other future NBA players.

[MarkGrace]

NBA draft picks from Utah that played with Miller:

Michael Doleac
Hanno Mottola
Keith Van Horn

NBA draft picks from BYU that played with Fredette:

None

Undrafted NBA players from Utah that played with Miller:

Britton Johnson

Undrafted NBA players from Utah that played with Fredette:

Brandon Davies

Did I miss anyone? Clearly, going to overtime in the Sweet Sixteen without the only other future NBA player from the team indicates that Jimmer was not as good a player as someone who advanced a couple rounds further while sharing the court with four other future NBA players.

2 of those dudes were lotto picks as well.

[MartyFunkhouser]

NBA draft picks from Utah that played with Miller:

Michael Doleac
Hanno Mottola
Keith Van Horn

NBA draft picks from BYU that played with Fredette:

None

Undrafted NBA players from Utah that played with Miller:

Britton Johnson

Undrafted NBA players from Utah that played with Fredette:

Brandon Davies

Did I miss anyone? Clearly, going to overtime in the Sweet Sixteen without the only other future NBA player from the team indicates that Jimmer was not as good a player as someone who advanced a couple rounds further while sharing the court with four other future NBA players.

Let's also not ignore the fact that college basketball was better at the time. More of the best players were staying 2-3 years, not the 1 and done that Fredette was facing up against.

[smokymountainrain]

Let's also not ignore the fact that college basketball was better at the time. More of the best players were staying 2-3 years, not the 1 and done that Fredette was facing up against.

Good point. Kobe, T-Mac and KG were absolutely dominating college basketball during Miller's time.

At least the best players were playing in college when Fredette was at BYU.

[Pelado]

2 of those dudes were lotto picks as well.

Is anyone else from that BYU Sweet Sixteen team even playing in Europe?

Hartsock
Abouo
Emery
Collinsworth (injured - missed 28 games)
Collinsworth
Magnusson
Zylstra
Anderson
Rogers
Martineau
Winder (redshirt)
Carlino (redshirt)

[MarkGrace]

Good point. Kobe, T-Mac and KG were absolutely dominating college basketball during Miller's time.

At least the best players were playing in college when Fredette was at BYU.

Ouch.