"You Gotta Love It Baby" Official Jazz thread

[Sizzle]

BGR is saying many are projecting Parker for Melo-like production. Would you give up all that if you knew Parker would be more or less the equivalent of Melo (or PP)?

If I knew that I was going to be drafting a guy that was going to give me 25 points, 6 boards and 3 assists and seven trips to the All-Star game in the last 8 years? Yeah, I probably do.

[Sizzle]

If I knew that I was going to be drafting a guy that was going to give me 25 points, 6 boards and 3 assists and seven trips to the All-Star game in the last 8 years? Yeah, I probably do.

Or, if you look at Paul Pierce, 20 points, 6 boards, 3 assists and 10 All-Star trips in a 15-seasons career? Yeah, I'd probably make that deal. Yes, it's a lot to give up, but IMO it doesn't totally gut the team, it gives you one more 'down' year to add a secondary player via the draft, and you roll. Like OKC did with Durant and then Westbrook. This team feels similar to those Thunder teams at least in the way we're rebuilding. Now is the time to get the centerpiece.

[MartyFunkhouser]

The question is, do you make that trade for a young Carmelo?
There isn't a Durant in this draft.

Also with that question, do you make that trade for a young Carmello prior to him playing in the NBA. I don't care how long you have been in asset acquisition mode, unless you are getting a LeBron James caliber prospect (and no one is going to trade a LeBron James caliber can't miss prospect) you do not make the trade.

Maybe if you are talking Carmello after playing 2 years in the league, you make that trade for him.

[Sizzle]

Also with that question, do you make that trade for a young Carmello prior to him playing in the NBA. I don't care how long you have been in asset acquisition mode, unless you are getting a LeBron James caliber prospect (and no one is going to trade a LeBron James caliber can't miss prospect) you do not make the trade.

Maybe if you are talking Carmello after playing 2 years in the league, you make that trade for him.

I think that yes, you do have to take that risk, with the caveat that you damned well better be sure you've done your due diligence and feel really good about making the pick. You have to take risks in building a team. You're going to have to overpay at some point. Giving up 5, Favors, 23, Burks and the 2017 GS pick for the #1, it's a lot. But where teams really get into trouble in these types of deals is giving up your own assets as opposed to assets that you've acquired from other teams. If the Jazz can move up to #1 without having to give up any of their own future picks I think is a huge win. You're protecting yourself in the event that it doesn't pan out.

I love Favors and I would explore moving any piece besides Favors to move up. I also like Burks a lot and would probably prefer to not move both players, but one or the other. If you move Favors, I do think you need to look at taking Wiggins #1 for his defensive capabilities. If you move Burks, I think you need to consider Parker because of his scoring ability. If you move both, I think the scales maybe tip back to Wiggins, though the decision becomes a lot tougher in my eyes.

[BGRTHNUMEGO]

One other factor is when a deal with Cleveland would be done. If it is to be done before or on draft night, Cleveland has to send salary back to Utah. If the teams wait until July to get it done, Cleveland can absorb Favors' salary w/o giving anything back. Though cap space for Utah isn't the same as cap space for LA, Utah could then match on Hayward and still have a solid young nucleus (Hayward, Parker, Burke, Kanter, Gobert) that would hopefully finally have a star, and would have a ton of cap room to acquire more pieces via free agency or trade.

Greg Monroe would probably fit really well into what Quin Synder wants to do on offense. And having scoring from Parker, Monroe, and Kanter slots Hayward into a far more comfortable role on offense. He seems the type of free agent that Utah could overpay for and get him. That team would struggle like crazy on defense unless Gobert turns into a superhero.

C - Kanter, Gobert
PF - Monroe, Evans, Ed Davis
SF - Parker, Marvin
SG - Hayward, Avery Bradley
PG - Burke, Garrett, Neto

Is that better than this?

C - Kanter, Gobert
PF - Favors, , Vonleh, Evans
SF - Hayward, Marvin, Glen Robinson III
SG - Burks, Jodie Meeks
PG - Burke, Garrett, Neto

[smokymountainrain]

One other factor is when a deal with Cleveland would be done. If it is to be done before or on draft night, Cleveland has to send salary back to Utah. If the teams wait until July to get it done, Cleveland can absorb Favors' salary w/o giving anything back. Though cap space for Utah isn't the same as cap space for LA, Utah could then match on Hayward and still have a solid young nucleus (Hayward, Parker, Burke, Kanter, Gobert) that would hopefully finally have a star, and would have a ton of cap room to acquire more pieces via free agency or trade.

Greg Monroe would probably fit really well into what Quin Synder wants to do on offense. And having scoring from Parker, Monroe, and Kanter slots Hayward into a far more comfortable role on offense. He seems the type of free agent that Utah could overpay for and get him. That team would struggle like crazy on defense unless Gobert turns into a superhero.

C - Kanter, Gobert
PF - Monroe, Evans, Ed Davis
SF - Parker, Marvin
SG - Hayward, Avery Bradley
PG - Burke, Garrett, Neto

Is that better than this?

C - Kanter, Gobert
PF - Favors, , Vonleh, Evans
SF - Hayward, Marvin, Glen Robinson III
SG - Burks, Jodie Meeks
PG - Burke, Garrett, Neto

I like the second lineup a lot outside of the PG position. Any chance the Jazz could get Bledsoe? Replace Burke with Bledsoe, Vonleh with Randle, GRIII with TJ Warren, and you have something.

[BGRTHNUMEGO]

I like the second lineup a lot outside of the PG position. Any chance the Jazz could get Bledsoe? Replace Burke with Bledsoe, Vonleh with Randle, GRIII with TJ Warren, and you have something.

Phoenix says they're matching anything on Bledsoe. I seriously doubt they'd match a max contract on him. If Hayward got the same deal as Favors, the Jazz could still bring in a big free agent contract. It would just mean Burks or Kanter was gone for sure the next year if not traded sooner.

[smokymountainrain]

Phoenix says they're matching anything on Bledsoe. I seriously doubt they'd match a max contract on him. If Hayward got the same deal as Favors, the Jazz could still bring in a big free agent contract. It would just mean Burks or Kanter was gone for sure the next year if not traded sooner.

I'd trade for Bledsoe straight up for either Hayward, Burks or Kanter in a heartbeat.

Especially Kanter, if I had Randle on the roster.

[Jacob]

Wins fill seats faster and for longer. For some reason, pretty much every draft analyst has speculated about this possibility and/or the possibility that the Jazz will draft Parker because he'll be more likely to sign an extension with them. Neither argument makes much sense to me. Who's to say Parker won't be more likely to split because he's tired of living up to the Mormon pressure? I don't necessarily think that's probable either, but it's all just speculative nonsense. Which is why I don't think you can factor that in. Jazz fans--and any fans--want to cheer for a winner. So you pick the player who is most likely to help you win games. Even if he's agnostic.

This is correct. The jazz have no problem selling out the arena when they are winning. Also, I don't know a single person/Jazz fan who would be upset with drafting Wiggins over Parker. The sad truth is that most Jazz fans know next to nothing about Jabari Parker and many have heard, so they believe, that he is not that great of a prospect. There is no Jazz fan hive mind on this issue. I'm certain that David Locke would get a lot of angry tweets by Parker fans if he was passed on, but that would not be representative of the fan base.

From this perspective, Jabari is no Jimmer.

. Are the Jazz as worried about the short term financials as the long term ones?

I doubt many Jazz fans are at all worried about the short term or long term financials of the Miller family or their investment in the Jazz. I certainly am not.

[MartyFunkhouser]

Can confirm Jazz offered #5 and Favors to Cleveland for #1 pick. But source says target is Andrew Wiggins, not Jabari Parker.
— Spencer Checketts (@1280Spence) June 20, 2014

I've never understood why everyone just assumed the Jazz wanted Parker over everyone else. It just seemed like lazy reporting based on Parker being Mormon.

I think I'd make the trade of Favors plus the #5 for the top pick. I don't see Cleveland taking the offer. Of course, this is the franchise that used the top pick last year on Anthony Bennett, so anything is possible.

[MarkGrace]

I'm sure Spencer Checketts knows there was offer and who the Jazz are targeting. lol...what a dork.

[smokymountainrain]

Oliver Miller Jabari has put on nearly 20 pounds since the end of the season - he was 235 and weighed in at 254 at the Bucks workout at a recent Bucks workout. Not good. Not surprising.

[MarkGrace]

Is this very recent? Because there was this earlier from a Buck site:

BUCKS BEAT Parker rumor is just that: a rumor

It’s that time of the year when the rumor mill is churning out of control with misinformation.

With the NBA draft about a month away — June 26, to be precise — NBA teams are “leaking” intel with regularity. One of the rumors making the rounds in recent weeks pertained to Jabari Parker, the former Duke star who could be the No. 1 overall pick. Parker, if you believe the gossip, has seen his weight balloon since the end of the college season.

In reality, just the opposite happened. Parker’s body has become more toned, as those who attended his recent workout in Southern California will attest.

“There was some rumor going around at the pre-draft camp (in Chicago) that Jabari Parker had gained 20 to 25 pounds,” Milwaukee Bucks scouting director Billy McKinney said. “And that’s the gamesmanship of the draft.

“But he looked fantastic from a physical standpoint.”

http://journaltimes.com/sports/bucks...a4bcf887a.html

[smokymountainrain]

Is this very recent? Because there was this earlier from a Buck site:


http://journaltimes.com/sports/bucks...a4bcf887a.html

So they didn't mention his weight? Interesting. Chad Ford said he weighed in at 254. I don't see that number being refuted in that quote.

[MarkGrace]

So they didn't mention his weight? Interesting. Chad Ford said he weighed in at 254. I don't see that number being refuted in that quote.

He looked leaner in that video than he did in college, and there's no way he packed on 20-25 in less than a month in the middle of these workouts. I'll bet the Bucks told him that. As their scouting director said:

“And that’s the gamesmanship of the draft."