"You Gotta Love It Baby" Official Jazz thread

[Sizzle]

Who are all the euro coaches that have been failures in the NBA? I can't think of any, and I'm certainly not counting D'Antoni as a failure.

Who are any successes?

[LiveCoug]

Does he speak English?

[wapiti]

Who are all the euro coaches that have been failures in the NBA? I can't think of any, and I'm certainly not counting D'Antoni as a failure.

D'Antoni v1 = Success
D'Antoni v2 = Failure
D'Antoni v3 = Failure

He's a failure as an NBA coach. He had success with a very specific system that required a very specific set of players. Without those players his system sucks and he has shown no ability to adapt. He's a terrible coach. D'Antoni cemented his legacy when he tried to run SSOL with Dwight Howard, Kobe Bryant, and no quality 3-pt shooters. Idiot.

[Jacob]

From Ford's chat, a few comments:

Dan (New York)

Is Embiid the only true center that would be taken in the first round?
Chad Ford (1:12 PM)

No. But it's close. This draft isn't strong at that position. Bosnia's Jusuf Nurkic is a likely first rounder if he decides to stay in the draft. Dakari Johnson could be a late first rounder if he declares. Some scouts believe Clint Cappella could be a center someday when his body fills out. That's about it. One of the reasons Embiid is such a coveted player.

Only reason for this is that it doesn't make sense. One of the reasons Embiid is coveted is because there aren't many centers in the draft? It just doesn't make any sense. Embid's value as a top 3 (or 5) player is wholly unrelated to whether there are lower quality centers available in the 1st round of the draft. Odd.

Ron (Orlando)

Are the Magic the team that is highest on Exum? Seems that way based on mock drafts.
Chad Ford (1:14 PM)

They want a point guard. They experimented with Victor Oladipo there, but preferably they get a young player that is more of a true point. Exum and Marcus Smart are the guys for them. They would've taken Smart No. 2 last year, but I think Exum has moved ahead. Lakers also really like Exum. So do the Jazz and Bucks.

Euro coach and an Austrailian pick. Fine by me. I hadn't heard about the Jazz being high on Exhum.

Marc (SLC)

Why does every draft simulation with the Jazz in the top 2 have them taking Parker? Would they not take Wiggins if they had the opportunity?
Chad Ford (1:15 PM)

I don't think the front office has figured out what they are doing yet. So much depends on where they land in the lottery. Wiggins, Parker and Embiid would all be in the mix for No. 1. However, there would be a ton of pressure in Utah for them to take Parker and given the teams' trajectory (they really don't need more raw young players) Parker's ability to play right away and have an impact make sense for them. I think they are, far and away, the team most likely to take Parker No. 1.

More indication (like the Embiid bit above) that Ford is just making stuff up. I don't agree that there would be a ton of pressure for the Jazz to pick Parker. Virtually no pressure. I'm confident they won't take fan's desires into consideration.

[BGRTHNUMEGO]

Lindsey's plan is working...Minnesota now rumored to be interested in Boylen.

[MarkGrace]

Article today says Jazz will likely interview more than 20 candidates. Also mentioned that Alex Jensen and Johnnie Bryant will be retained with the team going forward.

Was listening to a podcast last night and it was mentioned that this is the Jazz first true coaching search in its Utah history. Nissalke was the first coach, then was fired by Layden and replaced by Layden himself Popovich style. Sloan was an assistant to Layden and took over, and then of course Corbin was an assistant to Sloan before he got the gig. So that puts them at the first real coaching search ever. Kind of crazy.

[MarkGrace]

D'Antoni v1 = Success
D'Antoni v2 = Failure
D'Antoni v3 = Failure

He's a failure as an NBA coach. He had success with a very specific system that required a very specific set of players. Without those players his system sucks and he has shown no ability to adapt. He's a terrible coach. D'Antoni cemented his legacy when he tried to run SSOL with Dwight Howard, Kobe Bryant, and no quality 3-pt shooters. Idiot.

I don't know anything about Messina, but as soon as I heard Euro, D'Antoni popped into my mind and gave me an adverse reaction. I don't want to play D'Antoni ball. I've read some about Messina the last couple of days and his brand of ball doesn't sound anything like D'Antoni, but that was definitely the first connection I made.

[The_Douger]

I don't know anything about Messina, but as soon as I heard Euro, D'Antoni popped into my mind and gave me an adverse reaction. I don't want to play D'Antoni ball. I've read some about Messina the last couple of days and his brand of ball doesn't sound anything like D'Antoni, but that was definitely the first connection I made.

That was the first thing that came to my mind, D'Antoni. I figure Dennis Lindsay is a bright guy and knows a lot more about basketball than anyone here does. It's good to hear that's not what Messina runs.

[MarkGrace]

That was the first thing that came to my mind, D'Antoni. I figure Dennis Lindsay is a bright guy and knows a lot more about basketball than anyone here does. It's good to hear that's not what Messina runs.

From what I've read he's a very deliberate halfcourt guy in terms of offense. Which is not exactly what I wanted to read, since I agreed with Hayward's criticism of Corbin that the Jazz needed to get out and push more. But I guess you can both push and be deliberate in the halfcourt, which is very much what both Sloan and the Spurs have been about. Many have described Messina as the closest thing to Pop, and apparently Pop thinks the world of the guy, so you've got to like that. Travis Hansen played for him and had an interview in the paper yesterday where he discussed. Worth a read.

[MarkGrace]

One of Hansen's comments made it seem as if Messina was the Yankees of the Euro league. He wanted to have the biggest budget and spend the most on players, so you do wonder if he'd be into Utah since that's never going to be the case.

[The_Douger]

One of Hansen's comments made it seem as if Messina was the Yankees of the Euro league. He wanted to have the biggest budget and spend the most on players, so you do wonder if he'd be into Utah since that's never going to be the case.

Well, we'll never spend like the Knicks or Lakers do, but sometimes I wish someone owned the team who wanted to spend more.

[Sizzle]

Well, we'll never spend like the Knicks or Lakers do, but sometimes I wish someone owned the team who wanted to spend more.

The Jazz have shown a willingness to spend, especially during the DWill/Booz/Memo/AK days so I'm not sure I agree with this. Yes, they should've spent more during the statues era, but I think LHM realized that and tried to rectify it. Yes, they're smart about their spending, but they're at least willing to pay the luxury tax.

[The_Douger]

The Jazz have shown a willingness to spend, especially during the DWill/Booz/Memo/AK days so I'm not sure I agree with this. Yes, they should've spent more during the statues era, but I think LHM realized that and tried to rectify it. Yes, they're smart about their spending, but they're at least willing to pay the luxury tax.

That's what I was more referring to. I kind of felt like in trying to rectify it they saddled us with deals that gave us little to no flexibility and locked us in to a team that wasn't ever going to be able to win it. I'm glad they tried though, it's better than what Donald Sterling did for all those years in LA. It was an entertaining team that was competitive most of the time.

It feels different than when Larry was in charge, and I get that it's not going to be the same. I'd like an owner like Cuban who's gung ho about it and isn't worried about the things the LHM group is worried about, is more what I'm referring to. But, if that was the case, you'd need a billionaire who's willing to buy the team and keep them here.

[MarkGrace]

The Jazz have shown a willingness to spend, especially during the DWill/Booz/Memo/AK days so I'm not sure I agree with this. Yes, they should've spent more during the statues era, but I think LHM realized that and tried to rectify it. Yes, they're smart about their spending, but they're at least willing to pay the luxury tax.

I would put this in the past tense. With the new CBA there's no way they'll go lux tax.

[wapiti]

That's what I was more referring to. I kind of felt like in trying to rectify it they saddled us with deals that gave us little to no flexibility and locked us in to a team that wasn't ever going to be able to win it. I'm glad they tried though, it's better than what Donald Sterling did for all those years in LA. It was an entertaining team that was competitive most of the time.

It feels different than when Larry was in charge, and I get that it's not going to be the same. I'd like an owner like Cuban who's gung ho about it and isn't worried about the things the LHM group is worried about, is more what I'm referring to. But, if that was the case, you'd need a billionaire who's willing to buy the team and keep them here.

The luxury tax is so punitive that you almost don't want an owner who is willing to go into it. It's pretty rare that heavy luxury tax spending is even helpful. A unique situation like OKC had a few years ago warranted it. They should have gone into the cap and signed Harden.