BYU Basketball 2016-2017

[Clark Addison]

I understand. He's the great white hope ... unfortunately, it's a fools hope at this point.

Going into today (which I didn't really watch much of because of work stuff), Haws had the best three point percentage on the team (despite some miserable games early), and better TO per 40 minutes than Emery, Mika, Bryant, Davis, Childs, Aytes, Rose, Shaw, Leifson, Dastrup, and Kaufusi. He had the best Assist to TO ratio of anyone except for Rose and Beo (who had 16 assists to Haws 69). If Rose benched him (which he won't), it would be the most head-scratching move since his preference for Ben Murdock over Jimmer.

[tooblue]

Going into today (which I didn't really watch much of because of work stuff), Haws had the best three point percentage on the team (despite some miserable games early), and better TO per 40 minutes than Emery, Mika, Bryant, Davis, Childs, Aytes, Rose, Shaw, Leifson, Dastrup, and Kaufusi. He had the best Assist to TO ratio of anyone except for Rose and Beo (who had 16 assists to Haws 69). If Rose benched him (which he won't), it would be the most head-scratching move since his preference for Ben Murdock over Jimmer.

Haws is a defensive liability and he struggles to rebound effectively despite his size. The two things this team needs most to change it's inconsistent play. Basketball doesn't happen only on the offensive side of the floor. Defence precedes offense. Why again is Jimmer playing in China?

Rose won't bench Haws because he went all in on him at the expense of losing other guards. He has no choice now but to find a way to make it work, and the best way to make it work at this stage of the season is to bring him off the bench.

EDIT: the tell all play tonight (despite the inevitable easy win): Childs shoots an ill-advised three and all Haws did, along with the other three players on floor was watch Mika fight three defensive rebounders for the ball.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Nice game for Bryant and Mika. Best part of this season, aside from Mika coming back from his mission as a polished big, is Steve Cleveland doing the color commentating. Tender mercies.

Yep. Cleveland is great.

[CardiacCoug]

Haws is a defensive liability and he struggles to rebound effectively despite his size. The two things this team needs most to change it's inconsistent play. Basketball doesn't happen only on the offensive side of the floor. Defence precedes offense. Why again is Jimmer playing in China?

Rose won't bench Haws because he went all in on him at the expense of losing other guards. He has no choice now but to find a way to make it work, and the best way to make it work at this stage of the season is to bring him off the bench.

EDIT: the tell all play tonight (despite the inevitable easy win): Childs shoots an ill-advised three and all Haws did, along with the other three players on floor was watch Mika fight three defensive rebounders for the ball.

[Omaha 680]

TB says the evidence on the court contradicts the belief that Haws has good basketball instincts. CA provides a bunch of data that would suggest Haws has some of the best instincts and skills on the team (at least on the offensive end). TB moves the goalposts and says it's really just about defense and rebounding. Did I follow it right?

[SCcoug]

Yeah that's crazy talk tb.

[Blueintheface]

Haws just needs to get stronger. He has very good instincts but just lacks experience and stamina.

IMO the biggest issue with this team is defense (dead horse I know), most notably the guard line (although they are all guilty of ball-watching at times). Also, the disparity in effort and execution on the road vs home is ridiculous right now. Sure that's the hallmark of a young team but Saturday's game was a joke.

Now the positive: the future. I'm still bullish on the potential of this core if Eric sticks around long enough. This season is obviously now no more than an exercise in team building and self assessment, but for players like Bryant and Childs the experience is invaluable. The talent is here, they all just need to buy in, trust each other, and give consistent effort.

Oh, and I thought Kafusi's effort tonight was encouraging. He still leaves his feet defensively but he appears to be in much better shape than just a month ago which is good because he will be needed.

[Non Sequitur]

That's great white hope talk. But the evidence found in his play suggests otherwise. He should've gone to the bench early in the season after his great "basketball instincts" got him that technical foul that cost BYU big. It's time to start Bryant. Beo is playing well enough to continue to get the minutes he gets. Haws can come off the bench, and should go right back with every ill-advised rushed 3-pointer and every incomprehensible forced turnover, where his "instincts" let him and his team mates down.

Beo over Haws? I'm guessing you haven't played a lot of basketball. Haws is the kind of player you love having on your team. He's active, pushes the offense and loves to pass. I'll take him on my team any time.

[jay santos]

Haws, Emery, and Bryant all have poor TO to assist ratios for guards. They all need to play more in control. Haws has a flashy game, and due to combination of the step up in competition level from high school and the mission rustiness, he is not able to accomplish what he thinks he can do at times. He has huge upside and I believe he will get there sooner rather than later.

What I'm very, very disappointed in, is his body. There's just no excuse for a D1 athlete to have such lack of muscle. Lift some weights and drink some protein, bro. No excuse for that. Seriously makes me wonder about his work ethic and commitment to his game.

[cougjunkie]

We don't need Haws to rebound more. His job is not to crash the boards that's why we have Mika and Yo. His job is to get out front and push the tempo on the break. If our guards crashed every play we wouldn't be able to run like we do. TB is not smart.


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[Green Monstah]

Haws' issues are two fold, but neither are his fault: 1.He's still got some mission legs, but considering the small amount of time between his return and the season, he's done well, and 2. He's never going to bulk up (let's call it Lee Cummard syndrome). As Bryant heals up, his minutes will cut into some of Haws' and Rose's minutes, but all in all, I'm actually pleased with Haws' progression.

[tooblue]

We don't need Haws to rebound more. His job is not to crash the boards that's why we have Mika and Yo. His job is to get out front and push the tempo on the break. If our guards crashed every play we wouldn't be able to run like we do. TB is not smart.


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I can't tell if you're being serious or not? This team only needs one guy to rebound—really? Have you thought this through? So, one guy is going to beat three or four defenders to the rebound every time down the floor? Maybe against the worst team in the league. But, what happens when they play the top teams? Oh, that's right. BYU can't compete, even in their high school gyms lol

[jay santos]

2. He's never going to bulk up (let's call it Lee Cummard syndrome).

If he wants to, he will. His brother wasn't a beast, but he packed on some muscle when he decided he wanted to. Lift + calories. Not that hard if you have aspirations to be a professional athlete.

[tooblue]

TB says the evidence on the court contradicts the belief that Haws has good basketball instincts. CA provides a bunch of data that would suggest Haws has some of the best instincts and skills on the team (at least on the offensive end). TB moves the goalposts and says it's really just about defense and rebounding. Did I follow it right?

Moving goal posts? lol Man this board has gone down hill and rife with daft arguments. Do you even know what you are saying—or you just liked that colloquialism and have been itching to use it? To counter my contention that Haws is a problem, the only evidence offered was offensive stats which some how say he has great basketball instincts (despite his technical, and penchant for jacking shots, no D and no rebounding).

Unless I'm mistaken—and unless you are Bill Murray in Space Jam, or Jimmer in China—basketball players must play both sides of the floor on offense and defense, both guarding and rebounding in order to be successful ... this isn't church ball in the Stake Centre gym dude. Really

[Green Monstah]

Moving goal posts? lol Man this board has gone down hill and rife with daft arguments. Do you even know what you are saying—or you just liked that colloquialism and have been itching to use it? To counter my contention that Haws is a problem, the only evidence offered was offensive stats which some how say he has great basketball instincts (despite his technical, and penchant for jacking shots, no D and no rebounding).

Unless I'm mistaken—and unless you are Bill Murray in Space Jam, or Jimmer in China—basketball players must play both sides of the floor on offense and defense, both guarding and rebounding in order to be successful ... this isn't church ball in the Stake Centre gym dude. Really

How did I not pick up on the fact that tooblue is not American? Haws can tighten up his game, no doubt. But I'm not seeing him as the massive liability you are.