Larry Krystkowiak and the 2011-12 Utah Utes

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  • Katy Lied
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2008
    • 9435

    #436
    More on Sharp from Wrubell:

    In the fall of 2007, Utah's rookie coach Jim Boylen was intently recruiting Lone Peak's Tyler Haws (Class of 2009) and getting a commitment from Haws' friend and prep teammate Josh Sharp was seen as a win-win; Sharp was a good player, and Haws just might feel a little better about joining the Utah program with Sharp in the fold.
    Of course, Haws committed to sign with BYU in September of 2008, right around the time Boylen was considering what to do with Sharp as a college freshman. A scholarship having been made available, Sharp (originally set to walk on) was rewarded with a financial aid agreement, but since it did not accompany his NLI, the agreement was not binding--the "technicality" that led to Sharp's post-mission availability. There are whispers that Utah's original "soft" commitment to Sharp would allow for the sides to part ways if Boylen didn't think Sharp was working out.
    Boylen opted to red-shirt Sharp, but then a couple of months into practice, the Utah coach was discovering that Sharp was turning into a heck of a player. Boylen reportedly told others that one of the biggest mistakes he made was not playing Sharp as a true freshman, later claiming that Sharp was in line to be a "three-year starter" for his team, and would have been the first player off the bench that season--had he played.
    Yahoo! Sports writer Jeff Eisenberg has written about the Sharp saga and has talked to Boylen about Sharp.
    Among the coach's comments, as obtained by Eisenberg:
    "He's one of the best guys we recruited in the four years I was there. We had him penciled in as starter coming back...I'm saying this humbly, but he was poorly evaluated out of HS. I thought he was a high-major guy like J.J. (O'Brien)."
    So, Sharp having completed his freshman season, he embarked on his two-year LDS mission. While he was gone, Utah's program struggled, Boylen was fired, and Larry Krystkowiak was hired. The way I understand it, the Sharp family was intending on being loyal to the Utah program, assuming reciprocal loyalty would be demonstrated by the new staff.
    While Krystkowiak is said to have indicated that a scholarship would be available for Sharp, personal contact was apparently non-existent for a long enough period of time that the family began exploring options. One of those options was BYU, and once it was determined there would be an opening in Provo, one thing led to another, and the decision to transfer was solidified.
    Kinda sounds like Larry whiffed on Sharp. Although I'm not entirely sold on Sharp yet. The only guy who was high on him was Boylen.

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    • SeattleUte
      Faith crisis consultant
      • Nov 2008
      • 20837

      #437
      Who cares about Sharp. ESPN gives him a 40. lol slow soft return missionary sure to be a bust. I don't want meat heads like him.
      When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.

      --Jonathan Swift

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      • SeattleUte
        Faith crisis consultant
        • Nov 2008
        • 20837

        #438
        Originally posted by Portland Ute View Post
        Well, we can't all be douchebags like you. Some of us have to settle for idiot.
        Uh, this is sexist. We don't tolerate this stuff here. This is a progressive board.
        When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.

        --Jonathan Swift

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        • LA Ute
          Receiver of Memory
          • Nov 2008
          • 19512

          #439
          Originally posted by Katy Lied View Post
          More on Sharp from Wrubell:


          Kinda sounds like Larry whiffed on Sharp. Although I'm not entirely sold on Sharp yet. The only guy who was high on him was Boylen.
          I hope things work out for Sharp. I'm skeptical about the narrative being spun, however. The only D1 program that recruited him was Utah/Boylen, and that was only to walk on. Now the people who are saying he was an unrecognized star are also the ones who have an interest in that spin being true. Maybe Sharp will turn out to be the first player in memory to be lightly-recruited out of high school and then return from his mission vastly improved. We'll see.
          “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
          ― W.H. Auden


          "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
          -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons


          "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
          --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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          • Surfah
            Where's Wallace?
            • Nov 2008
            • 33726

            #440
            Originally posted by LA Ute View Post
            I hope things work out for Sharp. I'm skeptical about the narrative being spun, however. The only D1 program that recruited him was Utah/Boylen, and that was only to walk on. Now the people who are saying he was an unrecognized star are also the ones who have an interest in that spin being true. Maybe Sharp will turn out to be the first player in memory to be lightly-recruited out of high school and then return from his mission vastly improved. We'll see.
            I don't know any real basketball fans that are thrilled about this pickup. I don't think anyone has expectations for him. Wrubell has to spin this because that's what he's paid to do. I wouldn't expect anything less from him. That there is any talk about it at all is simply because he's another Utah player that has left the program, but this time to go to BYU. And also because of Crisco's jabs at BYU.
            "Nobody listens to Turtle."
            -Turtle
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            • Goatnapper'96
              Senior Member
              • Nov 2008
              • 10924

              #441
              Originally posted by Surfah View Post
              And also because of Crisco's jabs at BYU.
              Look those aren't jabs, Coach Krystkowiak is a principled man who has, in his short tenure as the U of U hoops coach, memorized a long list of unwritten rules. In fact it appears that the U of U athletic department might be spending so much time on the unwritten rules they might be unaware of some of the written rules!
              Do Your Damnedest In An Ostentatious Manner All The Time!
              -General George S. Patton

              I'm choosing to mostly ignore your fatuity here and instead overwhelm you with so much data that you'll maybe, just maybe, realize that you have reams to read on this subject before you can contribute meaningfully to any conversation on this topic.
              -DOCTOR Wuap

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              • LA Ute
                Receiver of Memory
                • Nov 2008
                • 19512

                #442
                Originally posted by Goatnapper'96 View Post
                Look those aren't jabs, Coach Krystkowiak is a principled man who has, in his short tenure as the U of U hoops coach, memorized a long list of unwritten rules. In fact it appears that the U of U athletic department might be spending so much time on the unwritten rules they might be unaware of some of the written rules!
                I am asking this against my better judgment, but I really don't know: Has there ever been an understanding that missionaries won't be recruited while serving?
                “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
                ― W.H. Auden


                "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
                -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons


                "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
                --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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                • Jacob
                  Junior Member
                  • Oct 2009
                  • 6801

                  #443
                  Originally posted by LA Ute View Post
                  I am asking this against my better judgment, but I really don't know: Has there ever been an understanding that missionaries won't be recruited while serving?
                  There is an actual written rule on the subject. A written rule that allowed Sharp to talk to whomever he wanted because Utah ignored the written rule and didn't get him to sign on the dotted line.

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                  • Katy Lied
                    Senior Member
                    • Dec 2008
                    • 9435

                    #444
                    A letter of intent for a preferred walk on is not binding. A letter of intent with a later financial aid award is also not binding (has to be at the same time). News reports accusing Sharp of exploiting a loophole to go to BYU ignore the fact that Utah exploited a loophole to bring Sharp in without a scholarship.

                    (Something that Bronco also does all the time)

                    I am very dubious of Sharp's talents, but for one thing. Someone at BYU must have evaluated his performance during his red shirt year, for them to wave him in. How would BYU know? Unless he is walking on at BYU so it cost them nothing.

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                    • LA Ute
                      Receiver of Memory
                      • Nov 2008
                      • 19512

                      #445
                      Originally posted by Jacob View Post
                      There is an actual written rule on the subject. A written rule that allowed Sharp to talk to whomever he wanted because Utah ignored the written rule and didn't get him to sign on the dotted line.
                      Jacob, it really was a friendly question, and you didn't answer it. Bad mood today?
                      “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
                      ― W.H. Auden


                      "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
                      -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons


                      "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
                      --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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                      • Goatnapper'96
                        Senior Member
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 10924

                        #446
                        Originally posted by LA Ute View Post
                        I am asking this against my better judgment, but I really don't know: Has there ever been an understanding that missionaries won't be recruited while serving?
                        I have never been privy to any discussions about that between hoop HCs in the Lovely Deseret. The most I ever read is, I think I once read Lavell Edwards and Mac both reference an agreement they had to not recruit each others missionaries.

                        This one is funny because of how hard Elder Sharp's dad worked to convince everyone that all contact with BYU was initiated by the Sharps - which I believe mostly because I don't think the kid is that good. Krysto's whining about other programs is not a real smart way to coach. Especially about something Krystkowiak really doesn't know how or what transpired. In a million years could anyone ever see Rick Majerus publicly whine about USU or BYU poaching one of his missionaries? Me neither. But K whines about it and the the father of the player essentially refutes K's accusations - at least wrt BYU as it might have been USU Krystko was referencing. Regardless of who it was, I think Krystkowiak is best served foccussing upon his relationship/playing status of Josh Sharp or his own players at Utah instead of others' following of unwritten rules.
                        Do Your Damnedest In An Ostentatious Manner All The Time!
                        -General George S. Patton

                        I'm choosing to mostly ignore your fatuity here and instead overwhelm you with so much data that you'll maybe, just maybe, realize that you have reams to read on this subject before you can contribute meaningfully to any conversation on this topic.
                        -DOCTOR Wuap

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                        • Jacob
                          Junior Member
                          • Oct 2009
                          • 6801

                          #447
                          Originally posted by LA Ute View Post
                          Jacob, it really was a friendly question, and you didn't answer it. Bad mood today?
                          Good mood. Sorry, I thought I did answer it. Put another way: there is no need for an unwritten rule, because there is already a written rule. The written rule generally prohibits all such contact. But not in this case, because Utah didn't sign Sharp (the "technicality" K refereed to).

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                          • LA Ute
                            Receiver of Memory
                            • Nov 2008
                            • 19512

                            #448
                            Originally posted by Goatnapper'96 View Post
                            I have never been privy to any discussions about that between hoop HCs in the Lovely Deseret. The most I ever read is, I think I once read Lavell Edwards and Mac both reference an agreement they had to not recruit each others missionaries.

                            This one is funny because of how hard Elder Sharp's dad worked to convince everyone that all contact with BYU was initiated by the Sharps - which I believe mostly because I don't think the kid is that good. Krysto's whining about other programs is not a real smart way to coach. Especially about something Krystkowiak really doesn't know how or what transpired. In a million years could anyone ever see Rick Majerus publicly whine about USU or BYU poaching one of his missionaries? Me neither. But K whines about it and the the father of the player essentially refutes K's accusations - at least wrt BYU as it might have been USU Krystko was referencing. Regardless of who it was, I think Krystkowiak is best served foccussing upon his relationship/playing status of Josh Sharp or his own players at Utah instead of others' following of unwritten rules.
                            If all Krysko said was what was in the newspaper clip you posted, I'm not sure that qualifies as whining, but semantics are no fun. I was just wondering where K. might have gotten the idea that an unwritten rule existed. Someone told him, I assume, and I also assume that person wasn't making it up.

                            [EDIT: If Sharp had transferred to UC Irvine or USU or Weber State, this would have been a blip on the screen. But he's transferring to BYU, which is why so many people seem to be having cows, or kittens, or something.]

                            Anyway, when Elder Sharp becomes an all-WCC player I may snark about this some more, but right now I'm not getting the Ute angst over a walk-on transferring to BYU. If he does no more damage to Utah than Trent Whiting did, we should come out of this crisis OK.
                            Last edited by LA Ute; 06-02-2011, 10:30 AM.
                            “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
                            ― W.H. Auden


                            "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
                            -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons


                            "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
                            --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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                            • YOhio
                              Hipster Mode
                              • Nov 2008
                              • 26165

                              #449
                              Originally posted by YOhio View Post
                              If you guys want me to change the title of the thread to "Official Transferring Utes Thread" I can do that with my privileges as a moderator. Just let me know.
                              Bump.

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                              • LA Ute
                                Receiver of Memory
                                • Nov 2008
                                • 19512

                                #450
                                Originally posted by YOhio View Post
                                Bump.
                                Jerk.

                                Now that you mention it, there sure is a lot of BYU fan interest in this thread. As always, we are flattered.
                                “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
                                ― W.H. Auden


                                "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
                                -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons


                                "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
                                --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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