Larry Krystkowiak and the 2011-12 Utah Utes

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  • KillerDog
    a.k.a. K-dog
    • Feb 2009
    • 4196

    #391
    Originally posted by SeattleUte View Post
    Sharp would almost certainly be a bust at Utah. This is all PR, as the last sentence in your quote suggests. Personally, I'd rather have the scholarship and it wouldn't surprise me if Krystkowiak didn't feel the same. He's dealing with a lot of complaining about inadequate local recruiting. However, one thing I do agree with the Boylen apologists about is that the sate of Utah has simply not produced much talent for quite a few years. I think outside CJ Wilcox even the Utah county kids are not Pac 12 material.

    I look forwad to the day when the very notion of Utah State and Utah bumping and grinding for a recruit like this would be laughable.
    I agree with you that Sharp is not a player to swoon over. That said, you are overly harsh about the level of talent coming out of Utah recently. I suppose that is because none of it is going to the U. Wilcox is definitely a top talent. Haws is too. Kyle Collinsworth wouldn't have started as a freshman at some schools but he would have started as a freshman at most schools. Davies is also an excellent talent who would be starting most places. I would say there have been 4 top tier talents coming out of Utah County in the last 5 years. Are these kids elite to the point of starting for the big 5? No they aren't. But they are elite in the broader sense.

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    • UteStar
      Sexiest Poster in Town
      • Nov 2008
      • 2419

      #392
      Originally posted by KillerDog View Post
      I agree with you that Sharp is not a player to swoon over. That said, you are overly harsh about the level of talent coming out of Utah recently. I suppose that is because none of it is going to the U. Wilcox is definitely a top talent. Haws is too. Kyle Collinsworth wouldn't have started as a freshman at some schools but he would have started as a freshman at most schools. Davies is also an excellent talent who would be starting most places. I would say there have been 4 top tier talents coming out of Utah County in the last 5 years. Are these kids elite to the point of starting for the big 5? No they aren't. But they are elite in the broader sense.

      I would agree with that. I am not sure if Haws or either Collinsworth would be big stars in the PAC-12, but they would be more than solid and I would have been thrilled to have them on the Utes and any of them would be a solid starter in the league. I think they all have very nice careers in front of them.

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      • Surfah
        Where's Wallace?
        • Nov 2008
        • 33726

        #393
        Originally posted by SeattleUte View Post
        I look forwad to the day when the very notion of Utah State and Utah bumping and grinding for a recruit like this would be laughable.
        That's a long ways off.
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        • LA Ute
          Receiver of Memory
          • Nov 2008
          • 19512

          #394
          Originally posted by Surfah View Post
          That's a long ways off.
          3 seasons, maybe 4. 2 might even be enough.
          “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
          ― W.H. Auden


          "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
          -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons


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          --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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          • two utes
            Junior Member
            • Mar 2011
            • 17

            #395
            Wilcox was a very good Utah high school player, but not a player who was leaps and

            bounds better than other players in the state. You would think a player like this (that now everybody thinks is so good) would have helped his team to the top of the state given the perceived lack of basketball talent in Utah. He didn't. In fact, his team did ok, but didn't come close to sniffing a state championship.

            Then, he leaves the state and makes the all conference freshman team in the PAC 12.

            Wilcox is direct evidence that Utah kids are underappreciated and not over appreciated.
            Last edited by two utes; 05-31-2011, 01:12 PM.

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            • Clark Addison
              Senior Member
              • Nov 2008
              • 10306

              #396
              Originally posted by two utes View Post
              bounds better than other players in the state. You would think for a player (that now everybody thinks is so good) would have helped his team to the top of the state given the perceived lack of basketball talent in Utah. He didn't. In fact, his team did ok, but didn't come close to sniffing a state championship.

              Then, he leaves the state and makes the all conference freshman team in the PAC 12.

              Wilcox is direct evidence that Utah kids are underappreciated and not over appreciated.
              That is obviously not true, as it does not fit in with SU's preferred narrative.

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              • Jeff Lebowski
                Corporate lackey for Jesus
                • Nov 2008
                • 69689

                #397
                Originally posted by two utes View Post
                bounds better than other players in the state. You would think for a player (that now everybody thinks is so good) would have helped his team to the top of the state given the perceived lack of basketball talent in Utah. He didn't. In fact, his team did ok, but didn't come close to sniffing a state championship.

                Then, he leaves the state and makes the all conference freshman team in the PAC 12.

                Wilcox is direct evidence that Utah kids are underappreciated and not over appreciated.
                According to SU, players from Utah County are overrated. I can't imagine the cognitive dissonance he must be suffering with Wilcox succeeding at Washington.
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                • LA Ute
                  Receiver of Memory
                  • Nov 2008
                  • 19512

                  #398
                  Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                  According to SU, players from Utah County are overrated. I can't imagine the cognitive dissonance he must be suffering with Wilcox succeeding at Washington.
                  Utah fans (other than perhaps SU, and probably even him in his heart of hearts) would have been pleased to have a couple of the recent, very strong Utah County high school kids. One reason (and only one) we didn't get them was their close ties to BYU. But they would have helped Utah, to the extent raw talent could have helped with Boylen as the HC.
                  “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
                  ― W.H. Auden


                  "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
                  -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons


                  "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
                  --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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                  • TripletDaddy
                    sweet triple
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 58186

                    #399
                    Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                    According to SU, players from Utah County are overrated. I can't imagine the cognitive dissonance he must be suffering with Wilcox succeeding at Washington.
                    SeattleUte has always been high on the DFW metroplex area as a deep talent pool for hoops.
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                    • myboynoah
                      Senior Member
                      • Nov 2008
                      • 21719

                      #400
                      Wrubell reporting Sharp will end up at BYU.

                      Cougar Tracks
                      Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!

                      For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.

                      Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."

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                      • LA Ute
                        Receiver of Memory
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 19512

                        #401
                        Originally posted by myboynoah View Post
                        Wrubell reporting Sharp will end up at BYU.

                        Cougar Tracks
                        On the Ute board he will now become a lousy player that Utah never really wanted. Good luck to the guy.
                        “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
                        ― W.H. Auden


                        "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
                        -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons


                        "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
                        --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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                        • Goatnapper'96
                          Senior Member
                          • Nov 2008
                          • 10924

                          #402
                          Originally posted by LA Ute View Post
                          On the Ute board he will now become a lousy player that Utah never really wanted. Good luck to the guy.
                          Unless he is really a rose that blossomed late I don't think this is a good allocation of scholarships for BYU. Sharp is a 3/4 but in BYU's system he will be a 4. He reminds me of a similar type of player as Stephen Rogers. I doubt he is any more prepared to be a 4 next year than Rogers. Unless Rose is beginning to think that BYU is not going to land Jordan "BIG LOVE" Loveridge, I don't understand going after another tweener type of 3/4 with one already on the roster.

                          On the other hand words cannot describe the horror I feel about the "ill will" that Rose recruiting within the rules is causing. I mean Coach Krystkowiak, within mere weeks, is already well versed in all unwritten rules....that are to his favor!
                          Do Your Damnedest In An Ostentatious Manner All The Time!
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                          I'm choosing to mostly ignore your fatuity here and instead overwhelm you with so much data that you'll maybe, just maybe, realize that you have reams to read on this subject before you can contribute meaningfully to any conversation on this topic.
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                          • LA Ute
                            Receiver of Memory
                            • Nov 2008
                            • 19512

                            #403
                            Originally posted by Goatnapper'96 View Post
                            Unless he is really a rose that blossomed late I don't think this is a good allocation of scholarships for BYU. Sharp is a 3/4 but in BYU's system he will be a 4. He reminds me of a similar type of player as Stephen Rogers. I doubt he is any more prepared to be a 4 next year than Rogers. Unless Rose is beginning to think that BYU is not going to land Jordan "BIG LOVE" Loveridge, I don't understand going after another tweener type of 3/4 with one already on the roster.

                            On the other hand words cannot describe the horror I feel about the "ill will" that Rose recruiting within the rules is causing. I mean Coach Krystkowiak, within mere weeks, is already well versed in all unwritten rules....that are to his favor!
                            I'll bet dollars to donuts that Sharp initiated any contact with BYU.

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                            Last edited by LA Ute; 05-31-2011, 08:47 PM.
                            “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
                            ― W.H. Auden


                            "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
                            -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons


                            "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
                            --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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                            • Goatnapper'96
                              Senior Member
                              • Nov 2008
                              • 10924

                              #404
                              Originally posted by LA Ute View Post
                              I'll bet dollars to donuts that Sharp initiated any contact with BYU.

                              Dollars to donuts - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
                              No doubt Jimmermania led to thousands of doors being opened and multitudes being saved. A by-product was likely Elder Sharp being exposed to the national lovefest of BYU, his ensuing actions were hardly surprising.
                              Do Your Damnedest In An Ostentatious Manner All The Time!
                              -General George S. Patton

                              I'm choosing to mostly ignore your fatuity here and instead overwhelm you with so much data that you'll maybe, just maybe, realize that you have reams to read on this subject before you can contribute meaningfully to any conversation on this topic.
                              -DOCTOR Wuap

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                              • myboynoah
                                Senior Member
                                • Nov 2008
                                • 21719

                                #405
                                Originally posted by LA Ute View Post
                                I'll bet dollars to donuts that Sharp initiated any contact with BYU.
                                Originally posted by Goatnapper'96 View Post
                                No doubt Jimmermania led to thousands of doors being opened and multitudes being saved. A by-product was likely Elder Sharp being exposed to the national lovefest of BYU, his ensuing actions were hardly surprising.
                                It was a both vision and a sign.

                                He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
                                Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!

                                For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.

                                Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."

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