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  • Originally posted by cougjunkie View Post
    You don't think the honor code office has the right to suspend kids from extra curricular activities as part of their punishment? Or maybe told Dave Rose suspend him for the season and we will let him stay in school? Maybe you are right and Rose figured they better learn to win without him right now because you would hate to lose him in the middle of the NCAA tournament.
    I don't know. I'm thinking out loud. I don't recall a BYU athlete ever being kicked off the team and not school that wasn't a coach's decision.

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    • Originally posted by jay santos View Post
      I absolutely don't claim to believe in any deeper principle relating to eternity that would would be in conflict with keeping a student in school after violating the Honor Code. I think deeper principles relating to eternity dictate that administrators do what they can to help kids stay in school, get there education, get the help they need to overcome problems, etc. Especially minorities at BYU.
      Even if you look at it from a religious perspective, the kid is probably not even an Elder yet. He is 19 years old he has not been through the temple. If he were to go to his bishop and say I have been snorting coke off the ass of a 40 year professor. He would not even be disfellowshipped. Yet the honor code office has the right to throw down a harsher punishment then even the kids bishop would? So why don't all students get ecclesiastical endorsements through the HC office?
      *Banned*

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      • Could they get Kent Tuttle to come play?

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        • Originally posted by FMCoug View Post
          Speak for yourself if your "We" comes straight from the Old Testament as the HC seems to.

          I Believe in Christ.
          Rationalize all you like.
          "We should remember that one man is much the same as another, and that he is best who is trained in the severest school."
          -Thucydides

          "Study strategy over the years and achieve the spirit of the warrior. Today is victory over yourself of yesterday; tomorrow is your victory over lesser men."
          -Miyamoto Musashi

          Si vis pacem, para bellum

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          • Originally posted by Devildog View Post
            Rationalize all you like.
            Belief in The Atonement = rationalization? You and I may belong to the same Church, but we most certainly don't have the same religion.
            "It's true that everything happens for a reason. Just remember that sometimes that reason is that you did something really, really, stupid."

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            • Wrubell is out with his sanctimonious take ...

              http://www.ksl.com/?nid=498&sid=14566609
              "It's true that everything happens for a reason. Just remember that sometimes that reason is that you did something really, really, stupid."

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              • If my head wasn't spinning so much from the news I would certainly be laughing more at some of the back and forth that always occurs with a story like this.

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                • Originally posted by FMCoug View Post
                  Belief in The Atonement = rationalization? You and I may belong to the same Church, but we most certainly don't have the same religion.
                  Belief in the atonement isn't the problem. Your spin on it is what I'm referring to.

                  Maybe it it why I struggle with this religion...

                  The test I'm taking here... seems to keep teaching me through consequence.
                  "We should remember that one man is much the same as another, and that he is best who is trained in the severest school."
                  -Thucydides

                  "Study strategy over the years and achieve the spirit of the warrior. Today is victory over yourself of yesterday; tomorrow is your victory over lesser men."
                  -Miyamoto Musashi

                  Si vis pacem, para bellum

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                  • Originally posted by cougjunkie View Post
                    Davies would have been better off had he lied.
                    This is absolutely true, because if Davies denied it there would have to be an investigation that would have taken at least until the end of the season.

                    I remember a BYU Bishop telling me he wasn't too hard on the kids who came in and confessed because he knew there were a bunch of kids out there doing the same things who weren't coming in and confessing.

                    But instead of the honesty making it easier on Davies in this situation, in this case it got him immediately suspended. Worst possible outcome. Damn.

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                    • Originally posted by Devildog View Post
                      Belief in the atonement isn't the problem. Your spin on it is what I'm referring to.

                      Maybe it it why I struggle with this religion...

                      The test I'm taking here... seems to keep teaching me through consequence.
                      You haven't been around in weeks, but as soon as a BYU player gets kicked off for an HC violation, you're here preaching your bullshit. GTFO. You were not missed.
                      Prepare to put mustard on those words, for you will soon be consuming them, along with this slice of humble pie that comes direct from the oven of shame set at gas mark “egg on your face”! -- Moss

                      There's three rules that I live by: never get less than twelve hours sleep; never play cards with a guy who's got the same first name as a city; and never go near a lady's got a tattoo of a dagger on her body. Now you stick to that, everything else is cream cheese. --Coach Finstock

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                      • Originally posted by Devildog View Post
                        Belief in the atonement isn't the problem. Your spin on it is what I'm referring to.

                        Maybe it it why I struggle with this religion...

                        The test I'm taking here... seems to keep teaching me through consequence.
                        Oh I forgot. To most Mormons, belief in Grace and its primary role in the Atonement is "spin" or "rationalization"
                        "It's true that everything happens for a reason. Just remember that sometimes that reason is that you did something really, really, stupid."

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                        • this makes me sick. If it is anything other than academic fraud or an NCAA violations I am embarrassed.
                          Dyslexics are teople poo...

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                          • Hey Wrubell: go eat it.

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                            • Originally posted by Donuthole View Post
                              You haven't been around in weeks, but as soon as a BYU player gets kicked off for an HC violation, you're here preaching your bullshit. GTFO. You were not missed.
                              I've been very happy for BYU and it's fans so far this basketball season.

                              Glad you're not my judge.
                              "We should remember that one man is much the same as another, and that he is best who is trained in the severest school."
                              -Thucydides

                              "Study strategy over the years and achieve the spirit of the warrior. Today is victory over yourself of yesterday; tomorrow is your victory over lesser men."
                              -Miyamoto Musashi

                              Si vis pacem, para bellum

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                              • Originally posted by Devildog View Post
                                Belief in the atonement isn't the problem. Your spin on it is what I'm referring to.

                                Maybe it it why I struggle with this religion...

                                The test I'm taking here... seems to keep teaching me through consequence.
                                Stop... struggling and... leave. Asshat....

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