OK Utah Fans, it's time to ask this question:

[TripletDaddy]

The original question was how Ute fans would react to BYU's basketball success.

We are now going on 4-5 pages of Ute fans arguing with BYU fans about why Andre Miller was better than Jimmer.

I think that answers the original question loud and clear. I think Ute fans would respond with something that is akin to the Crazy Christian Warrior lady on YouTube.

[YOhio]

I think that answers the original question loud and clear. I think Ute fans would respond with something that is akin to the Crazy Christian Warrior lady on YouTube.

Which is very sad, too. Especially after the class and grace demonstrated by BYU fans during the Utes' brief success in football a few years ago.

[Guest]

I'm not Funk, so I'm going to jump in...

Funk, I'm going to say this for the last time, and then I will never address this point with you.

This is complete and utter bullshit. You can name dozens of great college players who never made it past the second round through their junior seasons or never at all.

This point is true, of course (e.g. Tim Duncan had problems in the NCAA his senior season, etc.)

NCAA success is a crapshoot. Any game past the first round is pretty much a coin toss, outside the top two or three teams in the nation.

You went through a period where you had lady luck on your side. Be grateful for it, and stop overselling this bullshit point.

This is what I'd call bullshit. You see, for that period of time that Utah had "lady luck" on their side, they were one of the top three teams in the nation.

I hope BYU goes for a deep run in the Tourney, because it's a great experience for fans.

How does it relate to me as Utah fan? It doesn't. But I hope they do well this March, and that fans don't get too down if they're stopped short. Enjoy the season.

[SeattleUte]

The original question was how Ute fans would react to BYU's basketball success.

We are now going on 4-5 pages of Ute fans arguing with BYU fans about why Andre Miller was better than Jimmer.

I think that answers the original question loud and clear. I think Ute fans would respond with something that is akin to the Crazy Christian Warrior lady on YouTube.

I will give you an honest answer. I will be rooting against BYU.

[TripletDaddy]

I will give you an honest answer. I will be rooting against BYU.

And you know what, Amigo? That is the ONLY correct answer. Good for you.

All these sycophants make me sick. Now I know how you feel when Utes try to suck up to BYU fans.

[SeattleUte]

And you know what, Amigo? That is the ONLY correct answer. Good for you.

All these sycophants make me sick. Now I know how you feel when Utes try to suck up to BYU fans.

Well, you know my low regard for sycophatish Ute fans, especially the tormented active LDS variety.

[DU Ute]

I'll be pulling for BYU, but if they lose I won't feel any disappointment. Not even a tinge.

[Maximus]

To someone who didn't pay attention he wasn't the best player on the team but to people who followed the program they knew he was better than Van Horn. Ask arizona and UNC about his abilities. If Fredette was such a great closer why hasn't he seen past the second round yet?


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Did Miller have the same supporting cast as Jimmer? If not, how can you say the simple fact that millers team went deeper in the ncaa means he is better than jimmer?

[cougjunkie]

Did Miller have the same supporting cast as Jimmer? If not, how can you say the simple fact that millers team went deeper in the ncaa means he is better than jimmer?

Well we know he had the better coach and the number 2 player in the draft.

[UtahDan]

Jimmer's career reminds me a lot of Adam Morrison's so far. The conference he plays in, what he has around him, what he has accomplished regular season and post season to this point. I mean that as a favorable comparison.

I will say this though on the Andre Miller comparison, Jimmer would trade all those 40 point games and both nuts in a heartbeat to accomplish what Andre did post season. As fans we can make all kinds of comparisons, but the players all want to win in the dance and perform well there.

[Guest]

Did Miller have the same supporting cast as Jimmer? If not, how can you say the simple fact that millers team went deeper in the ncaa means he is better than jimmer?

Miller and Utah went deeper in the Tournament mostly because of "Lady Luck", so I hear. And the fact that the majority of their starters for several years were first-round NBA draft picks. And the fact that the Big Reebok Sweater could scheme the opponent's best player out of the game. And the fact they were coached defense first. And the fact the bigs always boxed out and sealed. And the fact they only brought one set of clothes with them. Stuff like that.

[Maximus]

Miller and Utah went deeper in the Tournament mostly because of "Lady Luck", so I hear. And the fact that the majority of their starters for several years were first-round NBA draft picks. And the fact that the Big Reebok Sweater could scheme the opponent's best player out of the game. And the fact they were coached defense first. And the fact the bigs always boxed out and sealed. And the fact they only brought one set of clothes with them. Stuff like that.

um so you agree that you cant say miller is better than jimmer because of the ncaa tourney?

[cougjunkie]

Miller and Utah went deeper in the Tournament mostly because of "Lady Luck", so I hear. And the fact that the majority of their starters for several years were first-round NBA draft picks. And the fact that the Big Reebok Sweater could scheme the opponent's best player out of the game. And the fact they were coached defense first. And the fact the bigs always boxed out and sealed. And the fact they only brought one set of clothes with them. Stuff like that.

You think maybe one of the reasons Majerus didn't run was because he was stuck with a pudgy point guard that couldn't create his own shot?

[Guest]

You think maybe one of the reasons Majerus didn't run was because he was stuck with a pudgy point guard that couldn't create his own shot?

I realize you're trolling but I'll answer in earnest, nonetheless. I think he could have let the reigns off and Miller would have been even better in college – as far as stats go. That was Rick's style. It was all about shot selection. I remember a couple of NBA coaches commenting on how much better Miller looked his first few years in the league, without the constraints of Majerus on his game (he lead the league in assists his third season in).

[jay santos]

Miller and Utah went deeper in the Tournament mostly because of "Lady Luck", so I hear. And the fact that the majority of their starters for several years were first-round NBA draft picks. And the fact that the Big Reebok Sweater could scheme the opponent's best player out of the game. And the fact they were coached defense first. And the fact the bigs always boxed out and sealed. And the fact they only brought one set of clothes with them. Stuff like that.

Lady Luck will only get you so far, and it probably won't stop you that many times if you're a good team, but it is a huge factor in the NCAA. In a one game setting in college basketball, anything can happen. Over a 50 year time period, you can't call one program's success over another's due to Lady Luck. For a given player's career, yes you can. Especially when you're talking about one player's impact on entire team.