Snow College 13th man Marshall Henderson

[SeattleUte]

Jackson was good. Too bad Big Rick drove him away. What happened to Jackson?

He came back and took us to the Sweet 16 and a 1 loss season in the MWC in 2005 (beat top ten Oklahoma in the second round). Made Giacoletti look like a great coach. Jackson was one of my favorite players ever at Utah.

The irony is I love Majerus, but he and Jackson absolutely hated each other. It was sad.

[SeattleUte]

Here's another one Luke Neville

Will Henderson be honorable mention for all mountain west?

Look, you know damn good and well these MWC "honorable mentions" and such are totally corrupt, subjective, circumstantial. Henderson may get honorable mention if the Utes beat UNLV, BYU and New Mexico at home, which they may.

Neville is an interesting comparison. He averaged 12.1 ppg on a much worse team.

[MartyFunkhouser]

How am I wrong? He has proven time and time again that he can not create his own shot, he is completely one dimensional a spot up shooter that takes bad shots. He is clearly not a distributor and he is an atrocious defender.

Because he has one good game against TCU doesnt change my opinion of him.

You aren't helping my claims that you aren't the BYU version of Top Ute. You simply cannot say a single good thing about any player for Utah in any sport. The point is that you have said he isn't even close to a DI player (see there are 12 players just like him at Snow College and none of them is getting a scholarship).

I'm not saying Henderson is great, but he has talent and he has potential to be a very good player for the Utes. Also, he has had more than one good game against TCU this year. He has shown flashes in several games.

[SeattleUte]

You aren't helping my claims that you aren't the BYU version of Top Ute. You simply cannot say a single good thing about any player for Utah in any sport. The point is that you have said he isn't even close to a DI player (see there are 12 players just like him at Snow College and none of them is getting a scholarship).

I'm not saying Henderson is great, but he has talent and he has potential to be a very good player for the Utes. Also, he has had more than one good game against TCU this year. He has shown flashes in several games.

junkie said similar things about Brian Johnson.

[falafel]

You aren't helping my claims that you aren't the BYU version of Top Ute. You simply cannot say a single good thing about any player for Utah in any sport. The point is that you have said he isn't even close to a DI player (see there are 12 players just like him at Snow College and none of them is getting a scholarship).

I'm not saying Henderson is great, but he has talent and he has potential to be a very good player for the Utes. Also, he has had more than one good game against TCU this year. He has shown flashes in several games.

I've got to defend junkie a bit here. I recall him making several positive statements about Ute football players during this season. Particularly the receivers and others. He gave them props when they performed well.

[Mormon Red Death]

He had to redshirt his true freshman (first) year because he was too slow. But I think he's an apt comparison to Henderson. It must have been a weak year for freshmen in the MWC because he started and played as many minutes as Henderson but averaged 7.9 ppg and had comparable stats for accuarcy.

if all you take in to consideration is points per game then yes. But the measure of good player is in all facets of his game.

[Flystripper]

Try again. Here are several players that were more productive as freshmen

Alex Jensen
Trace Caton
Justin Hawkins
Tim Drisdom
Andrew Bogut

I would add Britton Johnson as a hell of a productive freshman as well.

[jay santos]

Henderson is Utah's most productive freshman since Keith Van Horn.

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That's gonna hurt when Utah's most productive freshman in 15 years loses out on the MWC freshman of the year award to a Utah County kid for BYU.

[Flystripper]

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That's gonna hurt when Utah's most productive freshman in 15 years loses out on the MWC freshman of the year award to a Utah County kid for BYU.

ZING!

[SeattleUte]

I would add Britton Johnson as a hell of a productive freshman as well.

BJ was a key to the Final 2 run. He caught fire in the NCAA playoffs. But he struggled mightily all year before that, and had early stretches of inconsequence.

When I said productive I simply meant generating numbers on a stat sheet.

Of course I had forgotten Bogut. But I think the only rivals besides him (on the stated basis) is Neville.

[SeattleUte]

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That's gonna hurt when Utah's most productive freshman in 15 years loses out on the MWC freshman of the year award to a Utah County kid for BYU.

That would be meaningless. It would also be untrue, since I forgot Bogut, and maybe Neville. In any event, that contest is far from over. Henderson and Haws are pretty comparable excecpt Haws has more help right now, including a decent point guard feeding him the ball. Henderson has scored more points and Haws is slumping. If Utah finishes strong and BYU fades, it could be a different story. Unlike the typical BYU fan I never assume a snapshot in time is a permanent state of affairs.

[jay santos]

That would be meaningless. It would also be untrue, since I forgot Bogut, and maybe Neville. In any event, that contest is far from over. Henderson and Haws are pretty comparable excecpt Haws has more help right now, including a decent point guard feeding him the ball. Henderson has scored more points and Haws is slumping. If Utah finishes strong and BYU fades, it could be a different story. Unlike the typical BYU fan I never assume a snapshot in time is a permanent state of affairs.

Henderson: 12.1 ppg, 2.5 reb, 0.9 assists 38% FG, 35% 3 pt FG, plays no defense, on an irrelevant team

Haws: 11.5 ppg, 4.6 reb, 1.3 assists, 53% FG, 40% 3 pt FG, solid defense, on the conference champion

You decide.

[Senioritis]

Henderson: 12.1 ppg, 2.5 reb, 0.9 assists 38% FG, 35% 3 pt FG, plays no defense, on an irrelevant team

Haws: 11.5 ppg, 4.6 reb, 1.3 assists, 53% FG, 40% 3 pt FG, solid defense, on the conference champion

You decide.

I would take Haws.

Even if he looks like one of those mini trolls that you'd jam a pencil up its rear end and twist it really fast to make it's hair go all crazy. Aah, high school.

Henderson's going to make some of the Cougar homers here look really, really, ridiculously stupid before he's done, but I'd take the fauxHaws. Wish Boylen wouldn't have wasted time recruiting him.

[SeattleUte]

Henderson: 12.1 ppg, 2.5 reb, 0.9 assists 38% FG, 35% 3 pt FG, plays no defense, on an irrelevant team

Haws: 11.5 ppg, 4.6 reb, 1.3 assists, 53% FG, 40% 3 pt FG, solid defense, on the conference champion

You decide.

lol it's like a tick with you. There you go again. You already assume BYU will be the champion with all those games left to play. The BYU mindset is constantly, jarringly being reminded that they are not the center of the world, they are largely irrelevant. But their resiliance is their most astonishing characteristic--they always get up off the floor and carry on, believing the world begins and ends with and revolves around them.

[cougjunkie]

I think both Haws and Henderson are in trouble for MWC freshman of the year.

Kawhi Leonard of SDSU is putting up really good numbers:

12.4ppg 9.5 rpg, 1.9apg 1.3spg 46%fg, 70% ft.