Snow College 13th man Marshall Henderson

[CardiacCoug]

I agree. I don't understand why the BYU fans commenting on this thread are so obsessed with him.

I'm interested in him because it is unusual to see a freshman with his modest athletic ability getting so much playing time at a basketball program with a tradition of success like Utah.

I think he's pretty much at the same talent level as a guy who played for BYU named Lance Archibald. This doesn't bode well for Utah's basketball future.

[jay santos]

I agree. I don't understand why the BYU fans commenting on this thread are so obsessed with him.

SU has man crush on him, and he's a freshman starter, so we'll see him for four years. That's why I was interested in seeing what he's about. I've also been curious about Foster. I don't see any obsession with him on the part of BYU fans.

[cougjunkie]

I'm interested in him because it is unusual to see a freshman with his modest athletic ability getting so much playing time at a basketball program with a tradition of success like Utah.

I think he's pretty much at the same talent level as a guy who played for BYU named Lance Archibald. This doesn't bode well for Utah's basketball future.

Exactly he is a modern day Rudy.

[MartyFunkhouser]

Snow College must have an amazing basketball team. A player that is only as good of Snow College's 13th man last night scored 24 points was 5/7 from 3 and 5/6 from the line. He also chipped in 6 boards. If the Snow College 13th man can do that against DI competition, they must be the best JC team in the nation.

I would like to point out that I don't think that Henderson is anywhere near the caliber of player of Jimmer Fredette. However, the comparison of their freshman stats is quite interesting (especially when you consider that Fredette was playing on a better team with players that could actually help him see some open shots)

Fredette
7.0 ppg
1.1 rpg
1.7 apg
40.7 FG%
33.6 3 Pt%

Henderson
12.1 ppg
2.5 rpg
.9 apg
38.4 FG%
34.6 3 Pt%

Maybe Henderson is good enough to make the starting lineup at Snow College.

[MartyFunkhouser]

In conference play Henderson is now at:

15.1 ppg
4.3 rpg
40.0 FG%
38.7 FG%

[Donuthole]

Snow College must have an amazing basketball team. A player that is only as good of Snow College's 13th man last night scored 24 points was 5/7 from 3 and 5/6 from the line. He also chipped in 6 boards. If the Snow College 13th man can do that against DI competition, they must be the best JC team in the nation.

I would like to point out that I don't think that Henderson is anywhere near the caliber of player of Jimmer Fredette. However, the comparison of their freshman stats is quite interesting (especially when you consider that Fredette was playing on a better team with players that could actually help him see some open shots)

Fredette
7.0 ppg
1.1 rpg
1.7 apg
40.7 FG%
33.6 3 Pt%

Henderson
12.1 ppg
2.5 rpg
.9 apg
38.4 FG%
34.6 3 Pt%

Maybe Henderson is good enough to make the starting lineup at Snow College.

There is a mpg stat missing that I think would probably shed some light on those stats. Also, the good teammates-bad teammates argument is circular, as one could just as easily argue that Fredette's quality teammates took away statistical opportunities from him.

[MartyFunkhouser]

There is a mpg stat missing that I think would probably shed some light on those stats. Also, the good teammates-bad teammates argument is circular, as one could just as easily argue that Fredette's quality teammates took away statistical opportunities from him.

Henderson: 26.6 mpg
Fredette: 18.5 mpg

I think where the teammates argument is legit is that Fredette was able to get more open looks because he had other players opening up the floor for him. Henderson doesn't really have the luxury of playing with other quality offensive players. The main statistics that are interesting are the FG% and 3 PT FG% numbers. They are not that far off from each other and the criticism of Henderson has been he is a shooter that cannot shoot. I think he is actually a shooter that is a freshman being relied on far too much. He will be a good player for the Utes and his shooting percentages will improve.

[Blueintheface]

Henderson: 26.6 mpg
Fredette: 18.5 mpg

I think where the teammates argument is legit is that Fredette was able to get more open looks because he had other players opening up the floor for him. Henderson doesn't really have the luxury of playing with other quality offensive players. The main statistics that are interesting are the FG% and 3 PT FG% numbers. They are not that far off from each other and the criticism of Henderson has been he is a shooter that cannot shoot. I think he is actually a shooter that is a freshman being relied on far too much. He will be a good player for the Utes and his shooting percentages will improve.

3 posts in 10 minutes...someone has a man crush. BTW, do you like his little hip move that he makes when he hits a 3? I think it inspires others to perform at their highest level.

[myboynoah]

Wrubell on Henderson:

Utah 64 @ TCU 55--

Rivaled the CSU-Air Force game for excitement; Marshall Henderson's three-point shooting (5/7 from the arc; 24 points) was the difference-maker. Attendance was listed at 4,414, and that seemed generous--unlike Henderson, who had zero assists and has only 19 helpers in 22 games.

I know a lot of BYU Fan's don't care for Wrubell, but I think he's great.

[cougjunkie]

Lets see how Henderson does in the NCAA tourney as a true freshman, Fredette had 19.

[MartyFunkhouser]

Lets see how Henderson does in the NCAA tourney as a true freshman, Fredette had 19.

Which is one of the many reasons why I am willing to acknowledge that Fredette is the better player, I'm just wondering when you are going to acknowledge that you were wrong about Henderson. I'm not saying Henderson is great, but he is a hell of a lot better than most BYU fans give him credit for (and probably worse than most Ute fans think).

[U-Ute]

I'm just wondering when you are going to acknowledge that you were wrong about Henderson.

I wouldn't hold your breath.

[cougjunkie]

Which is one of the many reasons why I am willing to acknowledge that Fredette is the better player, I'm just wondering when you are going to acknowledge that you were wrong about Henderson. I'm not saying Henderson is great, but he is a hell of a lot better than most BYU fans give him credit for (and probably worse than most Ute fans think).

How am I wrong? He has proven time and time again that he can not create his own shot, he is completely one dimensional a spot up shooter that takes bad shots. He is clearly not a distributor and he is an atrocious defender.

Because he has one good game against TCU doesnt change my opinion of him.

[CardiacCoug]

Snow College must have an amazing basketball team. A player that is only as good of Snow College's 13th man last night scored 24 points was 5/7 from 3 and 5/6 from the line. He also chipped in 6 boards. If the Snow College 13th man can do that against DI competition, they must be the best JC team in the nation.

Lance Archibald had 24 points in a game, too.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...5609619256021#

[SeattleUte]

Which is one of the many reasons why I am willing to acknowledge that Fredette is the better player, I'm just wondering when you are going to acknowledge that you were wrong about Henderson. I'm not saying Henderson is great, but he is a hell of a lot better than most BYU fans give him credit for (and probably worse than most Ute fans think).

lol you're clueless, as always. You: Jimmer scored 19 points in one NCAA game (BYU lost) as a freshman, so he's better than Henderson. I can tell you got your college degree from a school that teaches creationism and rejects science and reason.

Jimmer and Henderson are two years apart in experience, so your blanket statement is totally ignorant on its face.

Let's compare them over the course of their entire freshman seasons, apples to apples.

Henderson is averaging 12.1 ppg. Jimmer, as a freshman, averaged 7.0

Henderson shoots 38.4% from the field, and Jimmer shot 40.7%; but Henderson is shooting 34.6% from threes, and Jimmer shot only 33.6%. As Cardiac has pointed out, the fact that threes are worth 3 points makes Henderson one of the most efficient shooters on the Ute team. (Someon do the algebra for me, please.) Henderson has also shot a lot more times and is a focal point of opposing defenses while Jimmer was a reserve.

Henderson averages .9 assists, but Jimmer only averaged 1.7 assists. But Henderson averages almost twice as many points, and he averages 2.5 rebounds whereas Jimmmer averaged 1.1 rebounds.

Henderson is Utah's most productive freshman since Keith Van Horn.