At what point did you / will you take the coronavirus epidemic seriously?

[LiveCoug]

3rd NBA player tests positive... Christian Wood, C for Detroit. They played the Jazz last Saturday

[Color Me Badd Fan]

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[Northwestcoug]

Mt. Bachelor is open! For now. I hope it stays that way until Tuesday, since my wife and kids are going to be stir crazy this week.

Just kidding. Closed for at least a week.

[myboynoah]

Spain is going on lockdown, and France is closing nonessential businesses.

European numbers from the John Hopkins dashboard:

Italy - 21,157 infected, 1,441 deaths
Spain - 6,391 infected, 196 deaths
Germany - 4,585 infected, 9 deaths
France - 4,480 infected, 91 deaths
Switzerland - 1,359 infected, 13 deaths
United Kingdom - 1,143 infected, 21 deaths
Norway - 1,090 infected, 3 deaths
Sweden - 961 infected, 2 deaths
Netherlands - 959 infected, 12 deaths
Denmark - 836 infected, 1 death
Belgium - 689 infected, 4 deaths
Austria - 655 infected, 1 death

Weird. The further you get from the Med, the fewer deaths. That might be that COVID-19 has more recently infected some countries (like in Scandanavia), but Germany has the third highest number of cases, but has only 9 deaths. I wonder what is going on there. Is it genetic?

As for the U.S., 2,951 infected and 57 deaths (2 percent morbidity). Obiously we have no idea how wide COVID-19 has spread. Once we see more testing, I expect the number will spike. Hopefully the death rate will mimic Germany more than Italy. The next two weeks could get pretty scary in the U.S. if deaths spike.

[Bo Diddley]

Spain is going on lockdown, and France is closing nonessential businesses.

European numbers from the John Hopkins dashboard:

Italy - 21,157 infected, 1,441 deaths
Spain - 6,391 infected, 196 deaths
Germany - 4,585 infected, 9 deaths
France - 4,480 infected, 91 deaths
Switzerland - 1,359 infected, 13 deaths
United Kingdom - 1,143 infected, 21 deaths
Norway - 1,090 infected, 3 deaths
Sweden - 961 infected, 2 deaths
Netherlands - 959 infected, 12 deaths
Denmark - 836 infected, 1 death
Belgium - 689 infected, 4 deaths
Austria - 655 infected, 1 death

Weird. The further you get from the Med, the fewer deaths. That might be that COVID-19 has more recently infected some countries (like in Scandanavia), but Germany has the third highest number of cases, but has only 9 deaths. I wonder what is going on there. Is it genetic?

As for the U.S., 2,951 infected and 57 deaths (2 percent morbidity). Obiously we have no idea how wide COVID-19 has spread. Once we see more testing, I expect the number will spike. Hopefully the death rate will mimic Germany more than Italy. The next two weeks could get pretty scary in the U.S. if deaths spike.

Yes, I think number of tests has to be a large part of it. Also, what are the age demographics of the populations in each country. I've heard Italy has a bunch of old people, for example.

[myboynoah]

Yes, I think number of tests has to be a large part of it. Also, what are the age demographics of the populations in each country. I've heard Italy has a bunch of old people, for example.

Mediun Age

Germany - 47.1, #3 in the world
Italy - 45.5, #5 in the world
Spain - 42.7, #23 in the world
Netherlands - 42.6, #24 in the world
Switzerland - 42.4, #27 in the world
Denmark - 42.2, #30 in the world
Belgium - 41.4, #39 in the world
France - 41.4, #40 in the world
Sweden - 41.2, #41 in the world
UK - 40.5, #50 in the world
Norway - 39.2, #57 in the world
Austria - 38.7, #58 in the world

The U.S. is 38.1, #61 in the world

[Bo Diddley]

Mediun Age

Germany - 47.1, #3 in the world
Italy - 45.5, #5 in the world
Spain - 42.7, #23 in the world
Netherlands - 42.6, #24 in the world
Switzerland - 42.4, #27 in the world
Denmark - 42.2, #30 in the world
Belgium - 41.4, #39 in the world
France - 41.4, #40 in the world
Sweden - 41.2, #41 in the world
UK - 40.5, #50 in the world
Norway - 39.2, #57 in the world
Austria - 38.7, #58 in the world

The U.S. is 38.1, #61 in the world

I cant find numbers on Germany's testing anywhere, which has to be a factor. Also, when comparing the numbers as you do, I think you need to adjust them for population (per thousand or million).

[SeattleUte]

Health condition may be more important than median age. For example, 24 percent of Italy is a smoker, and worldwide 6 million people a year die from smoking. Nick Beard there needs to be total transparency. We need to know complete details of every mortality. We don't need to know their names. We shouldn't just blindly be following WHO's pronouncements. For example, 24 percent of Italy is a smoker. Similar in France. How important is this? I am not a doomsayer, as you know. But as people start losing their jobs en mass, there will be massive demands for facts and social unrest and the governments will have to be more sophisticated in their approaches.

[Bo Diddley]

Health condition may be more important than median age. For example, 24 percent of Italy is a smoker, and worldwide 6 million people a year die from smoking. Nick Beard there needs to be total transparency. We need to know complete details of every mortality. We don't need to know their names. We shouldn't just blindly be following WHO's pronouncements. For example, 24 percent of Italy is a smoker. Similar in France. How important is this? I am not a doomsayer, as you know. But as people start losing their jobs en mass, there will be massive demands for facts and social unrest and the governments will have to be more sophisticated in their approaches.

Considering Germany's numbers once again, their smoking rate is 30.3%.

[beefytee]

And Korea's smokers rate is about 25% as well (49% male, 4% female).

[SeattleUte]

Obviously, there are other secondary factors at work. In addition to having an older population, Italy is economically much weaker than German and Korea. This could impact health and healthcare. There are also cultural factors.

The latest research suggests the 1918 flu was no worse than a bad seasonal flu outbreak, but secondary factors associated with WWI including squalor, crowding and malnutrition greatly increased the mortality.

[SeattleUte]

Governments are doing a very bad job. Leaving us to ask these questions while they take draconian action that will be devastating to the world economy.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Obviously, there are other secondary factors at work. In addition to having an older population, Italy is economically much weaker than German and Korea. This could impact health and healthcare. There are also cultural factors.

The latest research suggests the 1918 flu was no worse than a bad seasonal flu outbreak, but secondary factors associated with WWI including squalor, crowding and malnutrition greatly increased the mortality.

No way. Source?

[BigPiney]

No way. Source?

Him pulling it out of his ass.

[Bo Diddley]

Sick Heidi Klum says she hasn't been able to get tested for coronavirus

The US just can't get it right!