At what point did you / will you take the coronavirus epidemic seriously?

[SeattleUte]

No way. Source?

Wikipedia for one:

"Scientists offer several possible explanations for the high mortality rate of the 1918 influenza pandemic. Some analyses have shown the virus to be particularly deadly because it triggers a cytokine storm, which ravages the stronger immune system of young adults.[15] In contrast, a 2007 analysis of medical journals from the period of the pandemic[16][17] found that the viral infection was no more aggressive than previous influenza strains. Instead, malnourishment, overcrowded medical camps and hospitals, and poor hygiene promoted bacterial superinfection. This superinfection killed most of the victims, typically after a somewhat prolonged death bed.[18][19]"

[SeattleUte]

No way. Source?

18. Brundage JF, Shanks GD (December 2007). "What really happened during the 1918 influenza pandemic? The importance of bacterial secondary infections". The Journal of Infectious Diseases. 196 (11): 1717–1718, author reply 1718–1719. doi:10.1086/522355. PMID 18008258.
19.^ Morens DM, Fauci AS (April 2007). "The 1918 influenza pandemic: Insights for the 21st century". The Journal of Infectious Diseases. 195 (7): 1018–1028. doi:10.1086/511989. PMID 17330793.

[SeattleUte]

Him pulling it out of his ass.

What is wrong with you?

[Color Me Badd Fan]

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[SeattleUte]

Bacterial Co-Infection and Secondary Infections

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5481322/

Laboratory, clinical and epidemiological research has made it abundantly clear that bacterial co/secondary infection can significantly increase the morbidity and mortality of viral infections (Gupta et al., 2008). Up to 75% of those infected with influenza that go on to acquire pneumonia, are confirmed to have bacterial co-infection (Zambon, 2001). Bacterial co/secondary infection of influenza infection appears to occur frequently. Studies have shown that up to 65% of laboratory confirmed cases of influenza infection exhibited bacterial co/secondary infection, although Klein et al. (2016) state that in the majority of the research included in their meta-analysis this figure ranged between 11 and 35%. In the setting of an influenza epidemic or pandemic bacterial co/secondary infection can have devastating consequences, particularly in at-risk groups such as the immunocompromised/immunosuppressed. Immunosuppression is associated with more severe morbidity and a much higher risk of mortality from co/secondary bacterial infection (Rice et al., 2012). During the 2009 Swine influenza pandemic, there was an increase in hospital pneumonia cases as a result of secondary bacterial pneumonia, which was identified in 29–55% of mortalities (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, 2009; Gill et al., 2010; Weinberger et al., 2012).

[SeattleUte]

It's all over the Internet, morons.

Google "WWI and the 1918 Flu Pandemic."

Influenza Virus Infection ... · Resolution of Inflammation ... · Mechanical and ...

"WWI and the 1918 Flu Pandemic - CDC

tools.cdc.gov › EID_10-18_ConcurrentConflicts-1918FluPandemic"

[Terence Chorba] The strain of influenza A involved was a subtype of avian strain H1N1, which genetic sequence has been successfully determined using tissue samples recovered from a female influenza victim buried in the Alaskan permafrost, and from samples preserved from American soldiers who died of flu at the time. As to why it was so virulent, we could talk for hours. There are some papers that support the hypothesis that the viral infection itself was not more aggressive than other well-known influenza strains, but rather the special circumstances of the war scene, with malnourishment, cramped quarters, crowded medical emplacements in hospitals, and lack of hygiene, all fostering bacterial superinfection that killed many of the victims. Remember, it was not until 1935, when we first had the first sulfa drugs, that the. . .we had the first antibiotic useful for treating streptococcal and staphylococcal infections. The majority of deaths in the great Spanish flu pandemic were from superinfection, mostly bacterial pneumonia, for which we now have antibiotics to intervene. Unfortunately, at the time of the First World War, other than some antifungal agents, the only antibiotics that were available were the arsenicals, which were used to treat syphilis.

[Katy Lied]

Nobody in Utah can get a test either. The Trib's cover story is that none of the hotlines work and no one is getting a test, even if you are presenting symptoms. You have to actually name a current diagnosed person that you have come into contact with and even then, area hospitals are doing everything they can to deny the test. They probably dont have the testing capability. My man Mitt complained back on Thursday that Utah has only performed 135 tests in the entire state. 58 or about 40% of the tests were performed on Jazz players and the Jazz organization.

Our stake president (and first counselor) are ER Physicians at the hospital that is doing the testing, and my husband has a meeting with him right now. I've noticed that different stakes are handling this markedly different, as my husband was granted the authority to bless and pass the sacrament today at home, and friends of ours were specifically told NOT to have sacrament in their family meetings.

[CardiacCoug]

Yeah there should definitely be much more testing going on but it kind of cracks me up that people who clearly just have a cold think they should be able to demand a test. There have to be some criteria to identify higher risk people.

If the public health measures of closing churches, schools, social distancing are successful and effective then everybody will say it was a massive overreaction. I hope that’s the case!

[Color Me Badd Fan]

It's all over the Internet, morons.

Google "WWI and the 1918 Flu Pandemic."

Influenza Virus Infection ... · Resolution of Inflammation ... · Mechanical and ...

"WWI and the 1918 Flu Pandemic - CDC

tools.cdc.gov › EID_10-18_ConcurrentConflicts-1918FluPandemic"

The Spanish Flu attacked people in their primes and pregnant women -- i.e. people with the strongest immune systems. It would cause a person's immune system to start destroying itself.

You obviously had men of that age in close proximity with each other during WWI which likely aided the spread and death rate.

[Color Me Badd Fan]

There are all kinds of pictures on Twitter of bars, clubs, and touristy party spots just packed with people. Millennials know they're not going to die from this so they don't care apparently that they can certainly aid in spreading it.

Old people need to self-quarantine now. The death rate for 80+ is close to 20%. They can't count on dickhead millennials to do their part to help stop the spread of the illness.

[Walter Sobchak]

There are all kinds of pictures on Twitter of bars, clubs, and touristy party spots just packed with people. Millennials know they're not going to die from this so they don't care apparently that they can certainly aid in spreading it.

Old people need to self-quarantine now. The death rate for 80+ is close to 20%. They can't count on dickhead millennials to do their part to help stop the spread of the illness.

Eh, this should be the response. Put safeguards in place (social distancing, etc) for those vulnerable populations that are specifically impacted by the virus. The rest of us can live our lives.

[SeattleUte]

Eh, this should be the response. Put safeguards in place (social distancing, etc) for those vulnerable populations that are specifically impacted by the virus. The rest of us can live our lives.

This will inevitably occur because the current regime is not sustainable and will do much more harm than good.

[Jeff Lebowski]

It's all over the Internet, morons.

Google "WWI and the 1918 Flu Pandemic."

Influenza Virus Infection ... · Resolution of Inflammation ... · Mechanical and ...

"WWI and the 1918 Flu Pandemic - CDC

tools.cdc.gov › EID_10-18_ConcurrentConflicts-1918FluPandemic"

Morons? Easy there.

I read this book a few years back:

The Great Influenza: The Story of the Deadliest Pandemic in History

Highly recommended. The Spanish flu started in a pig farm in Kansas (not in Spain) and spread to a nearby army camp and then took off. They were actually able to track the spread quite accurately later. One of the big compounding factors was that Woodrow Wilson has issued an executive order banning the press from printing bad news or anything that would hurt morale due to the war. So when the flu started spreading, most newspapers said almost nothing about it until containment was impossible.

Furthermore, the flu started out not too unlike an ordinary flu, but then it morphed into a much more deadly strain. It caused people's immune systems to overreact - many people would be dead within 8 hours of contracting it because their lungs would fill with fluid from their immune system going crazy. As a result of this, the flu was most deadly to people with healthy immune systems - young people in their prime. It was less deadly to children and old people.

Another compounding factor was it immediately overwhelmed the capacity of the medical system. Ventilators were very effective, but they didn't have nearly enough.

500 million cases, 20-50 million deaths. Yes, there were tons of compounding factors, but this was anything but a common flu strain.

[LVAllen]

Pubs in Ireland to close.

NOW I'm worried.

https://www.thejournal.ie/pubs-closed-ireland-dublin-pint-5047111-Mar2020/

[SeattleUte]

Morons? Easy there.

I read this book a few years back:

The Great Influenza: The Story of the Deadliest Pandemic in History

Highly recommended. The Spanish flu started in a pig farm in Kansas (not in Spain) and spread to a nearby army camp and then took off. They were actually able to track the spread quite accurately later. One of the big compounding factors was that Woodrow Wilson has issued an executive order banning the press from printing bad news or anything that would hurt moral due to the war. So when the flu started spreading, most newspapers said almost nothing about it until containment was impossible.

Furthermore, the flu started out not too unlike an ordinary flu, but then it morphed into a much more deadly strain. It caused people's immune systems to overreact - many people would be dead within 8 hours of contracting it because their lungs would fill with fluid from their immune system going crazy. As a result of this, the flu was most deadly to people with healthy immune systems - young people in their prime. It was less deadly to children and old people.

Another compounding factor was it immediately overwhelmed the capacity of the medical system. Ventilators were very effective, but they didn't have nearly enough.

500 million cases, 20-50 million deaths. Yes, there were tons of compounding factors, but this was anything but a common flu strain.

Look, just because you read a popular history published 16 years ago doesn't make you an expert. So don't talk at me about it. For whatever reason--the book didn't talk about it or you missed it or forgot about it--you'd never heard that it's a well-recognized hypothesis that secondary bacterial infection is what juiced that epidemic beyond seasonal flu proportions and conditions incident to WWI, etc exacerbated that. You snorted and asked for a cite and I gave you several from unimpeachable sources without much digging. If there's a lesson from this event, it's that secondary factors like age, underlying health, unhealthy habits and environment are decisive.