At what point did you / will you take the coronavirus epidemic seriously?

[SCcoug]

How can you even tell if people are or aren't social distancing with a ground level picture? The ones in the foreground look fine to me. Perspective can be a tricky thing.

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[tooblue]

Fair. But you're also not under a mandatory shelter in place order with the government closing all public outdoor spaces and now threatening legal action against those that disobey. I talk to people in NYC all the time for work. Obviously anecdotal but they are at the breaking point. They will endure longer if needed because of the severity of the outbreak in NYC. But places that are not severe need to start being reasonable. Cases will go up when you ease lockdowns. It is inevitable. We just want to control the spike as much as possible. Governors who want to keep it locked down until we go to zero cases are setting up an impossible scenario.

I think if given the opportunity, many people will act responsibly and still socially distance themselves. We have already witnessed this, and that gives me hope. As you state, spikes will occur and there is no way to avoid them. The lock down can't go on indefinitely. Decisions now need to be left to the local community level.

Just as the Governors wanted and legally have the right to control their economies instead of the federal government, they now need to trust counties etc. to control their communities and economies.

[SeattleUte]

I reject science, huh? In what sense? That I believe the leading epidemiologists and the scientific consensus on the issue rather than conspiracies that are conveniently acquitting Trump of fucking up? Ok. I'm sure you are out there sharing that video by those two 'doctors' in Bakersfield, with your old gray haired Trump-supporting science denying ass...

The fact that you think the dissidents are all like those doctors (I saw that YouTube here) shows you're just like them. Full circle. CNN vs Fox mentality. Dumb. Has nothing to do with science.

[Uncle Ted]

I think he’s done a pretty good job, but he should rethink this.

No, Newsome is right in closing the beaches. If I can’t go no one else should be able to go either.


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[tooblue]

No, Newsome is right in closing the beaches. If I can’t go no one else should be able to go either.


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You can go to the beach ...

https://www.visitlongbeach.com/virtual-tours/

and you don't just have to settle for visiting California beaches, you can can also visit Greece:

[Jeff Lebowski]

I’m sorry for your friend or acquaintance, but you reject science, which is what stupid people do.

Blah blah blah. You had your born again “progressive” moment with Covid. Since when have you been “progressive” Romney guy?

You need to follow the thread of the discussion to get this, you sociopath troll (you of all people preaching about empathy). He thinks that only people on the left believe in science. Know thyself!

Go away, tooblue, nobody likes you.

Good grief. SU, you seem to be incapable of having a respectful, rational discussion on this topic. If you can't engage in this thread without constantly resorting to these dumb personal attacks, they maybe you should take a break for a while.

And please don't respond by claiming that you are being picked on.

[Commando]

The fact that you think the dissidents are all like those doctors (I saw that YouTube here) shows you're just like them. Full circle. CNN vs Fox mentality. Dumb. Has nothing to do with science.

I don't think they're ALL like the doctors. They can be every flavor of science deniers on the spectrum, but share the video anyway because "they make some good points." Isn't that implied? You like to create quagmires within arguments rather than address the actual issue.

[Commando]

Fair. But you're also not under a mandatory shelter in place order with the government closing all public outdoor spaces and now threatening legal action against those that disobey. I talk to people in NYC all the time for work. Obviously anecdotal but they are at the breaking point. They will endure longer if needed because of the severity of the outbreak in NYC. But places that are not severe need to start being reasonable. Cases will go up when you ease lockdowns. It is inevitable. We just want to control the spike as much as possible. Governors who want to keep it locked down until we go to zero cases are setting up an impossible scenario.

I definitely sympathize- I know it's impossible to be given an indefinite orders to stay at home with no relief in sight. Clearly that's not viable. I think the test being widely available in L.A. county is tangible progress that other people in CA can take hope in that the virus will be tracked and controlled soon, and with constant updates. If they had no testing but were just going to go on as unprepared as we were in February, I'd be a little more up in arms.

[SeattleUte]

Good grief. SU, you seem to be incapable of having a respectful, rational discussion on this topic. If you can't engage in this thread without constantly resorting to these dumb personal attacks, they maybe you should take a break for a while.

And please don't respond by claiming that you are being picked on.

I seem incapable of having a rational discussion? Irony. People who question the lockdown aren't "progressive" and don't believe in science and lack empathy. That's rational? It's not. Which is my only point. As for rational, Omaha and I were the ones here who introduced questioning of lockdowns, closing beaches, etc. on liberty, economic, scientific, and common sense principles. That these are legitimate issue for discussion has been vindicated.

But for us, originally this place was a groupthink. Shutdown forever and only the hot dog vendors will be hurt. And you were enforcing the mind control, with your gross bullying slam dunk icon.

And tooblue can take my joking, believe me.

Don't worry. I don't feel picked on. Nor am I in a bad mood. I don't come here when I'm in a bad mood.

[Walter Sobchak]

I seem incapable of having a rational discussion? Irony.

Lebowski may as well patent the phrase "good grief" (go ahead, do a search). And sure enough, the tone policing soon follows.

[tooblue]

Lebowski may as well patent the phrase "good grief" (go ahead, do a search). And sure enough, the tone policing soon follows.

Can we trade Robin for Walter? ... unless Walter has already patented that rhetorical device?

[Walter Sobchak]

Can we trade Robin for Walter? ... unless Walter has already patented that rhetorical device?

Lebowski already traded Robin for Walter! (Terrible trade... one of his worst.)

[tooblue]

Lebowski already traded Robin for Walter! (Terrible trade... one of his worst.)

Are you sure—maybe Robin has been hiding in plain sight all this time, and all the petitioning is a plea to take on yo... er, I mean his original persona?

[Jeff Lebowski]

And you were enforcing the mind control, with your gross bullying slam dunk icon.

That is one of the funniest things I have read on this site in a long time.

Lebowski may as well patent the phrase "good grief" (go ahead, do a search). And sure enough, the tone policing soon follows.

I am waiting until my "oh brother" patent comes through and then I will file a new application.

Tone policing. Lol.

[Green Monstah]

To answer the OP, I’m going to start panicking when my senior in high school is not in Provo in the fall. We bought a MUCH smaller house, partially in anticipation of our shrinking family, and there’s not enough room for all 7 of us.