At what point did you / will you take the coronavirus epidemic seriously?

[myboynoah]

Guess they didn't get the memo.

Swedish city will spread manure at festival venue to discourage crowds

Pooping on the plans of festival revelers, a city in Sweden will spread one ton of chicken manure at one of its parks to discourage people from gathering and possibly exposing themselves and others to the novel coronavirus.

The southern Swedish city of Lund has seen an attendance of tens of thousands of people — mostly students from Lund University — in the past at the park, Stadspark, to celebrate the start of Valborg, a Scandinavian holiday usually marked with bonfires and singing and dancing to folk songs, Swedish newspaper Sydsvenskan first reported.

[CardiacCoug]

Sure of course this is much worse than the flu but there are 500,000 hospitalizations and 35000 yearly deaths from influenza every year in the USA. It is correct that if somebody advised closing schools and restaurants in the setting of a bad flu season (say that would sicken and kill double the usual number of people) that person would be called CRAZY!

The way the news is comparing this to deaths in the Vietnam War is so stupid! Can that just stop?! Why on earth would anybody compare a 20-year old kid getting shot, maimed, blown up in the jungle to sickly people dying of this illness.

[myboynoah]

Sure of course this is much worse than the flu but there are 500,000 hospitalizations and 35000 yearly deaths from influenza every year in the USA. It is correct that if somebody advised closing schools and restaurants in the setting of a bad flu season (say that would sicken and kill double the usual number of people) that person would be called CRAZY!

The way the news is comparing this to deaths in the Vietnam War is so stupid! Can that just stop?! Why on earth would anybody compare a 20-year old kid getting shot, maimed, blown up in the jungle to sickly people dying of this illness.

Closing schools is not unheard of when facing a flu epidemic at the local level. But flu is obviously different as noted in the article.

Agreed on the comparison with war deaths. I don't get that and it doesn't make sense.

[Jeff Lebowski]

The way the news is comparing this to deaths in the Vietnam War is so stupid! Can that just stop?! Why on earth would anybody compare a 20-year old kid getting shot, maimed, blown up in the jungle to sickly people dying of this illness.

To provide a sense of scale on the numbers?

[CardiacCoug]

To provide a sense of scale on the numbers?

OK. We lose as many people as in TEN Vietnam wars every year from heart disease! Does anybody think that makes any sense at all to express it like that? Not the same thing!

https://www.cdc.gov/heartdisease/facts.htm

[Solon]

OK. We lose as many people as in TEN Vietnam wars every year from heart disease! Does anybody think that makes any sense at all to express it like that? Not the same thing!

https://www.cdc.gov/heartdisease/facts.htm

My wife says: "most statistics get a lot less interesting when you hear more statistics."

I suspect that someday when we look back at the lockdowns, shutdowns, etc. we will see that Society asked poor people to make a lot of sacrifices for the benefit of rich people. The way that shutting down has come to align (more or less) with left-leaning politics surprises me, since it doesn't seem very progressive

[Commando]

I personally know a person who died of corona who most certainly wouldn't have died otherwise and it's completely tragic. I can't be callous about this and write it off to 'oh this person would have died anyway.'

[Commando]

My wife says: "most statistics get a lot less interesting when you hear more statistics."

I suspect that someday when we look back at the lockdowns, shutdowns, etc. we will see that Society asked poor people to make a lot of sacrifices for the benefit of rich people. The way that shutting down has come to align (more or less) with left-leaning politics surprises me, since it doesn't seem very progressive

I think it's 'left-leaning' because progressives take way more stock in science. Conservatives are very skeptical of science. That's just the way this thing shakes out. When it's literally a matter of life and death, Constitutional arguments seem less pressing.

[SeattleUte]

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?

https://twitter.com/alexberenson/status/1255610013609066497?s=21

[Omaha 680]

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?

https://twitter.com/alexberenson/sta...609066497?s=21

LOL. I think the WHO is just trolling now. But you know broken clocks and such...

[SeattleUte]

My wife says: "most statistics get a lot less interesting when you hear more statistics."

I suspect that someday when we look back at the lockdowns, shutdowns, etc. we will see that Society asked poor people to make a lot of sacrifices for the benefit of rich people. The way that shutting down has come to align (more or less) with left-leaning politics surprises me, since it doesn't seem very progressive

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[Jarid in Cedar]

OK. We lose as many people as in TEN Vietnam wars every year from heart disease! Does anybody think that makes any sense at all to express it like that? Not the same thing!

https://www.cdc.gov/heartdisease/facts.htm

You have made the comparison to vascular disease deaths several times, and here is the big difference, IMO.

We can treat cardiovascular disease with CABG, PTCA with stents, thrombolytics , aspirin, plavix, statins, beta blockers, ARB's, etc.

For the majority of patients with CAD, we can add years and sometimes decades to a patients life with these treatments. So when these patients eventually die from CAD or CHF, we are not up in arms because we grudgingly accept the fact, because we have used all of the options available to extend life but eventually the disease will always win

I don't have any numbers, but I would be willing to bet that we spend more money in the diagnosis, treatment and prevention of coronary artery disease than any other disease by a long shot. And rightfully so. I just think it is disingenuous (or trolling) to say we are ignoring CAD.

[SeattleUte]

You have made the comparison to vascular disease deaths several times, and here is the big difference, IMO.

We can treat cardiovascular disease with CABG, PTCA with stents, thrombolytics , aspirin, plavix, statins, beta blockers, ARB's, etc.

For the majority of patients with CAD, we can add years and sometimes decades to a patients life with these treatments. So when these patients eventually die from CAD or CHF, we are not up in arms because we grudgingly accept the fact, because we have used all of the options available to extend life but eventually the disease will always win

I don't have any numbers, but I would be willing to bet that we spend more money in the diagnosis, treatment and prevention of coronary artery disease than any other disease by a long shot. And rightfully so. I just think it is disingenuous (or trolling) to say we are ignoring CAD.

I think his point is that it's disingenuous to compare deaths in the Vietnam war to deaths from Covid. We could every year be making comparisons to deaths from cigarettes, flu, car accidents, CV disease, cancer to the Vietnam war, but we never see that. Hell, half the time more people die from flu than the Vietnam war. It's just sensationalism to say more have died from Covid than those boys who went to Vietnam and fought in a war they didn't start, didn't even understand, and didn't choose to fight in, and died before they really began to live far from home. It's a disingenuous comparison. Thousands of people die every day, and we don't usually pay any attention at all, unless it's a war or Covid. it's our media that trolls, constantly.

[CardiacCoug]

You have made the comparison to vascular disease deaths several times, and here is the big difference, IMO.

We can treat cardiovascular disease with CABG, PTCA with stents, thrombolytics , aspirin, plavix, statins, beta blockers, ARB's, etc.

For the majority of patients with CAD, we can add years and sometimes decades to a patients life with these treatments. So when these patients eventually die from CAD or CHF, we are not up in arms because we grudgingly accept the fact, because we have used all of the options available to extend life but eventually the disease will always win

I don't have any numbers, but I would be willing to bet that we spend more money in the diagnosis, treatment and prevention of coronary artery disease than any other disease by a long shot. And rightfully so. I just think it is disingenuous (or trolling) to say we are ignoring CAD.

Oh yeah I agree. A large percentage of people who die from heart disease have had 20-30 years added to their life by modern technology/treatments that they wouldn’t have had otherwise.

I’m not saying anybody ignores heart disease. I like the way SU said it. I certainly acknowledge that young people are dying of Covid but it’s not the same thing as the government sending 20-year old kids to die in a Vietnamese jungle.

[jay santos]

My wife says: "most statistics get a lot less interesting when you hear more statistics."

I suspect that someday when we look back at the lockdowns, shutdowns, etc. we will see that Society asked poor people to make a lot of sacrifices for the benefit of rich people. The way that shutting down has come to align (more or less) with left-leaning politics surprises me, since it doesn't seem very progressive

Wealthy people that can afford to think theoretically or academia types that are sheltered from the real world, manipulating poor people to make them think they will give them a bigger share. That's the correlation to progressive politics.