At what point did you / will you take the coronavirus epidemic seriously?

[myboynoah]

Looks like it’s 80% in New York. Where are you seeing the 25% number? I haven’t seen anywhere under 50% anywhere.

I heard it on CNN, but haven't seen it anywhere else. JiC provided ground truth, for which I am very thankful.

[myboynoah]

WARNING: Nutjobs aplenty.

[SeattleUte]

Seattle's leaders believe in science... Gov. Cuomo and Mayor de Blasio don't:

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/05/04/seattles-leaders-let-scientists-take-the-lead-new-yorks-did-not

All those people died because Drumpf wasn't impeached and removed from office, obviously:

This is complete bullshit, from a scientific standpoint. As if Seattle had subways, more than a semblance of mass transit, vast ghettos, 9 million inhabitants, and wasn’t a tiny village compared to New York.

The silver lining is it exposes that phony, loudmouthed, mansplaining pig Andrew Cuomo. So tired of him.

[SeattleUte]

I heard it on CNN, but haven't seen it anywhere else. JiC provided ground truth, for which I am very thankful.

You need to stop watching CNN. Did you know it kills brain cells?

[myboynoah]

Cool.

Dutch teens sail across Atlantic after becoming stranded in Caribbean

[tooblue]

Nudge theory is a poor substitute for hard science in matters of life or death

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/26/nudge-theory-is-a-poor-substitute-for-science-in-matters-of-life-or-death-coronavirus

"The problem with all forms of expertise in public policy is that it is often the most formidable salespeople who claim greater certainty than the evidence allows who are invited to jet around the world advising governments. But the irony for behavioural scientists is that this is a product of them trading off, and falling prey to, the very biases they have made their names calling out."

[Sleeping in EQ]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lze-...ature=youtu.be

This Yale expert says he had to go on Fox and Bill Maher to get his message out, though he’s 100% right, because our mainstream media is so corrupt.

A great interview, and there definitely are political agendas afoot here. Scientists do not have an amazing track record for respecting people's rights. Government authorities have a track record of over-reaching.

People can't be expected to live in lockdown interminably, and the rhetoric on the left is already taking hold that "we've changed now." Of course their statements are all mixed in with silly leftist utopia.

There are quality of life issues that aren't addressed in most media discussions of the pandemic.

The people concerned about civil liberties aren't wrong, but they are wrong to pull stunts like they did in Lansing.

[Moliere]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/do-lockdowns-save-many-lives-is-most-places-the-data-say-no-11587930911?mod=hp_opin_pos_1

No conclusions can be drawn about the states that sheltered quickly, because their death rates ran the full gamut, from 20 per million in Oregon to 360 in New York. This wide variation means that other variables—like population density or subway use—were more important. Our correlation coefficient for per-capita death rates vs. the population density was 44%. That suggests New York City might have benefited from its shutdown—but blindly copying New York’s policies in places with low Covid-19 death rates, such as my native Wisconsin, doesn’t make sense.

Sweden is fighting coronavirus with common-sense guidelines that are much less economically destructive than the lockdowns in most U.S. states. Since people over 65 account for about 80% of Covid-19 deaths, Sweden asked only seniors to shelter in place rather than shutting down the rest of the country; and since Sweden had no pediatric deaths, it didn’t shut down elementary and middle schools. Sweden’s containment measures are less onerous than America’s, so it can keep them in place longer to prevent Covid-19 from recurring. Sweden did not shut down stores, restaurants and most businesses, but did shut down the Volvo automotive plant, which has since reopened, while the Tesla plant in Fremont, Calif., was shuttered by police and remains closed.

How did the Swedes do? They suffered 80 deaths per million 21 days after crossing the 1 per million threshold level. With 10 million people, Sweden’s death rate‒without a shutdown and massive unemployment‒is lower than that of the seven hardest-hit U.S. states—Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Louisiana, Connecticut, Michigan, New Jersey and New York—all of which, except Louisiana, shut down in three days or less. Despite stories about high death rates, Sweden’s is in the middle of the pack in Europe, comparable to France; better than Italy, Spain and the U.K.; and worse than Finland, Denmark and Norway. Older people in care homes accounted for half of Sweden’s deaths.

Time to end the shutdown in most states and keep social distancing in tact.

[Bo Diddley]

Famotidine is the next drug people are looking at. I actually take this daily for heartburn. Maybe I've already had it but didn't know.

[Uncle Ted]

Famotidine is the next drug people are looking at. I actually take this daily for heartburn. Maybe I've already had it but didn't know.

Stock up on that and black cats... Drumpf will be making an announcement soon:

Black cats turned into paste, sold as coronavirus remedy in Vietnam

It’s very bad luck to be a black cat in Vietnam, where the poor animals are being killed and eaten amid rumors their ground-up bodies can treat the coronavirus, animal rights activists said.

The No to Dog Meat charity said the black felines are boiled, skinned and cooked before being turned into paste and sold as medicine to fight COVID-19, according to South West News Service.
[...]

https://nypost.com/2020/04/24/cats-turned-into-paste-sold-as-coronavirus-remedy-in-vietnam/

Yes, people were laughing when Drumpf suggested injecting the body with disinfectant...

[SeattleUte]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/do-lock...=hp_opin_pos_1





Time to end the shutdown in most states and keep social distancing in tact.

I don't think anyone will think social distancing its tactless anytime soon.

But the lockdowns will continue inexorably to lose credibility. This study suggests they were a bad idea in the first place.

Remember when Lebowski said no scientists or studies supported my position? That seems like a long time ago.

[Moliere]

I don't think anyone well think social distancing its tactless anytime soon.

But the lockdowns will continue inexorably to lose credibility. This study suggests they were a bad idea in the first place.

Remember when Lebowski said no scientists or studies supported my position? That seems like a long time ago.

It's a little more nuanced than that. Lockdowns in places like New York City were necessary (high population density, mostly mass transit, etc.) but lockdowns in other places not like NYC were a bad idea and likely didn't do much good...and certainly did more harm in destroying the economy in those places. My personal opinion is that the lockdown did wake people up to the dangers of the virus and I think going overboard at first will help maintain good social distancing for the long term.

[old_gregg]

Famotidine is the next drug people are looking at. I actually take this daily for heartburn. Maybe I've already had it but didn't know.

i eat that shit like skittles

[Uncle Ted]

It's a little more nuanced than that. Lockdowns in places like New York City were necessary (high population density, mostly mass transit, etc.) but lockdowns in other places not like NYC were a bad idea and likely didn't do much good...and certainly did more harm in destroying the economy in those places. My personal opinion is that the lockdown did wake people up to the dangers of the virus and I think going overboard at first will help maintain good social distancing for the long term.

These lockdowns and social distancing orders are the blue states' plan to introduce us to socialism... Now that folks have a taste of it the DNC is going to kick Biden to the curb and pull in Bernie.

Are You Enjoying Your First Test Drive of Socialist America?

Are you enjoying your first taste of socialism? Life in America today is a sneak preview of life in Cuba or Venezuela. Democrats love it. This is the future they plan for you. The current economic catastrophe is exactly what America will look like if we institute the Green New Deal.

The goal is to defeat climate change by killing your job, taking away your car, closing your business and turning America into Cuba or Venezuela.

It's a progressive Democrat's rainy dream.

And isn't it great? You don't need to go to work. Money magically appears in your bank account. Hopefully, you can live on $1,200 every six weeks for the rest of your life.

You get to spend long days watching daytime talk shows and movies on Netflix -- you know, the things Democrats call a "typical day" for their voters.

And think of the money you can save on gas by not going anywhere. Soon all those nasty, polluting, carbon-emitting vehicles will be just a memory of the past. How wonderful will it be to have time to "just think" as you wait hours for those new energy-efficient buses and subways?

And, with all those nasty "nonessential" businesses closed, you'll have plenty of time to converse with your neighbors as you wait in line to see if anything is available for you to buy. It's socialist nirvana.
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https://townhall.com/columnists/wayneallynroot/2020/04/26/are-you-enjoying-your-first-test-drive-of-socialist-america-n2567619

In Virginia the government is pushing to stretch this out for at least two years:

Though the reopening outline of Phase One did not include a time frame, State Health Commissioner Norman Oliver told the Times-Dispatch on Friday that he thought Phase One would be in effect until a treatment or vaccine became available, which he predicted could be "a two-year affair."

https://www.richmond.com/news/virginia/update-driver-shortage-may-cause-grtc-delays-confirmed-covid-19-cases-in-va-surpass-13/article_434516e1-9f6e-51f5-b30d-d328870cc8bc.html

Maybe you just have the wrong attitude about all of this and need a visit from the Adjustment Bureau. Feel the Bern!

[Jeff Lebowski]

I am sure the warm weather had a lot to do with it, but there were a ton of people out shopping, in the parks, etc over the weekend. Very little social distancing going on. The natives are getting restless.