War with Iran - DEFCON 3

[dabrockster]

It's way too early to be confident the long term success and cost of this one.
I'd love to be wrong on this one

Ha. Bullshit. Your ego and constant drum of all things bad of Trump would never want anything to go right.

[dabrockster]

Fine, rogue state, singular. Saudi Arabia, chock full of human rights abuses. I don't know enough about the other Middle East countries to judge their rogueness so I retract my original plural.

Freedom is the end game: there isn't a much more worthy sentiment, I agree with you there. But I am clear-eyed enough to realize that there is not enough will in the US, much less other involved countries, to make a significantly better Iranian government a reality. Surely you can realize that there is no recent track record of importing enduring freedom by external violence.

No one is shedding a tear about Khameni's death. The question is if it was worth trampling over the constitution and the innocent lives lost. If it results in a less bad Iran that doesn't threaten terrorism or nuclear war, in the cold calculus of nation building that's probably acceptable. But these actions tend to have lasting consequences, both here and abroad. And if we're back at square one with just delaying the 'days away from a nuclear bomb' game that we've been playing for years now, then it will most definitely not have been worth it.

I cannot imagine any regime or govt. worse than what they endured under that evil POS. He is dead and Iranians are celebrating in the streets, while Lefties who supported Hamas are out protesting in the streets n this bombing of Iran.

The world has flipped from evil is good and good is evul. And yes, I am fully saying The Iranian regime is much kore evil than Trump. Lest we forget the terror they have done over the past 50-years agains the region and America.

[LVAllen]

Because lefties like you and Frank would have too much to bitch about. Gotta temper this a little..

Dude, what the hell are you smoking?

Non-interventionism in foreign affairs is like the conservative granddaddy of conservative positions.

Conservatives do not care about freedom in other countries, just their personal freedom from taxation and gun restrictions. It's only when freedom in the US is threatened (or when country music charlatans croon about how patriotic it is to attack others) that conservatives are willing to use military might in defense of others. Want someone to care about foreign affairs because they know it makes us safer? Better head to someone more moderate or even liberal, because you won't find that in conservatism.

So... why would conservative America give two shits about freedom in Iran? What makes Iran different in its freedom-oppressing ways than countries in the Middle East and elsewhere that brutally repress their people and that we cheerfully ignore?

[Northwestcoug]

Ha. Bullshit. Your ego and constant drum of all things bad of Trump would never want anything to go right.

Dude, just stop. It is juvenile and insulting to insinuate that anyone is so blind to not want the country to succeed no matter who the president, and that you alone stand in the political center, trying to show us poor biased souls how to judge any news that comes our way. Enough already.

[dabrockster]

Dude, what the hell are you smoking?

Non-interventionism in foreign affairs is like the conservative granddaddy of conservative positions.

Conservatives do not care about freedom in other countries, just their personal freedom from taxation and gun restrictions. It's only when freedom in the US is threatened (or when country music charlatans croon about how patriotic it is to attack others) that conservatives are willing to use military might in defense of others. Want someone to care about foreign affairs because they know it makes us safer? Better head to someone more moderate or even liberal, because you won't find that in conservatism.

So... why would conservative America give two shits about freedom in Iran? What makes Iran different in its freedom-oppressing ways than countries in the Middle East and elsewhere that brutally repress their people and that we cheerfully ignore?

Soo. Why are so many of you against this then? Since it fits to your model of what a liberal is? Or is it only fitting when it is based on who is in power politically.

Wait. It’s about Oil in Venezuela (Which I agreed as I found his response after to be completely wrong), but in this case, he has encouraged the Pepe to rise up and take back their country. They have the opportunity to do just that. What they have been wishing for.

[dabrockster]

Dude, just stop. It is juvenile and insulting to insinuate that anyone is so blind to not want the country to succeed no matter who the president, and that you alone stand in the political center, trying to show us poor biased souls how to judge any news that comes our way. Enough already.

I’ll stop once I hear an actual solid take of wishing and hoping for our country to succeed.

Puhlease. I have not professed to be a center of unbiased opinions. Just arguing when I see hypocrisy or bullshit. Or as you say. Enough Already with all the negative shit.

[dabrockster]

I wondered if she made it through or was killed. So glad she was not found and is now celebrating.

The girl, who lit a cigarette with the photo of Ali Khamenei, celebrates the death of the supreme ayatollah with this video.

https://x.com/azatalsalim/status/202...wgQeKTws5vNdEg

Video of her lighting it.

https://x.com/dineshdsouza/status/20...wgQeKTws5vNdEg

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[LVAllen]

Soo. Why are so many of you against this then? Since it fits to your model of what a liberal is? Or is it only fitting when it is based on who is in power politically.

Wait. It’s about Oil in Venezuela (Which I agreed as I found his response after to be completely wrong), but in this case, he has encouraged the Pepe to rise up and take back their country. They have the opportunity to do just that. What they have been wishing for.

For fucks sake, answer the question already, if you can.

What makes Iran unique among the many countries out there with oppressive governments? This administration doesn't care about them. It hasn't bombed them in the name of freedom. It hasn't tried to sound the banner of uprising. Why does it supposedly care about Iran?

[Jeff Lebowski]

For fucks sake, answer the question already, if you can.

What makes Iran unique among the many countries out there with oppressive governments? This administration doesn't care about them. It hasn't bombed them in the name of freedom. It hasn't tried to sound the banner of uprising. Why does it supposedly care about Iran?

Iran has been a major destabilizing force in the region for decades. Lots of oil, lots of influence. Massive state sponsor of terror, geopolitical ally with Russia, etc. Let's not pretend they are no big deal.

But Trump ran on a platform of not doing stuff like this, so go figure.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Iranians are celebrating wildly in the streets. Would be wonderful if this lead to the clerics losing power.

(gift link)

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/28/w...smid=url-share

[frank ryan]

Iranians are celebrating wildly in the streets. Would be wonderful if this lead to the clerics losing power.

(gift link)

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/28/w...smid=url-share

Wonder what opposition Iranian influences are going to try and succeed the Mullahs.

[Bo Diddley]

This marks a new phase for Iran. It's been interesting watching their decline over the past decade. I think they overextended themselves and the whole Israel/Hamas war accelerated their demise. The sanctions were the long game that helped undermine Iran's ability to fund their proxies.

And all at the expense of their people. They have a long hard road ahead of them. I would love to see a responsible government come to power and sanctions be lifted.

But this is the ME. I suspect there's going to be a lot of turbulence as either the regime tries to exert their control or others make moves to grab power--probably military leaders. One thing I know is the hard right isn't just going to disappear.

[Pelado]

I cannot imagine any regime or govt. worse than what they endured under that evil POS. He is dead and Iranians are celebrating in the streets, while Lefties who supported Hamas are out protesting in the streets n this bombing of Iran.

The world has flipped from evil is good and good is evul. And yes, I am fully saying The Iranian regime is much kore evil than Trump. Lest we forget the terror they have done over the past 50-years agains the region and America.

Don't let your lack of imagination cloud your judgment. I shed no tears for those from the regime who have met their Maker, but their demise doesn't necessarily mean that what comes next will be any better.

[dabrockster]

For fucks sake, answer the question already, if you can.

What makes Iran unique among the many countries out there with oppressive governments? This administration doesn't care about them. It hasn't bombed them in the name of freedom. It hasn't tried to sound the banner of uprising. Why does it supposedly care about Iran?

I am pretty sure I have answered that question numerous times throughout this thread. Stop with the attempt to try and get me to say I am selective with who we should help.

I celebrate and am happy the people of Iran who are out from under this regime of evil. I will celebrate any liberation of a people, but will not, nor have the opinion we should be going around the world doing this. This was inevitable but should’ve happened during the uprising but for once I think Trump listened to his advisors and waited to make sure they had the best plan in place before taking action.

Iran has made the worse decision by attacking civilians in the region and have turned the entire ME against them. Best case scenario for U.S., stupid decision for them. But their actions prove who they are. They not only attack military, but civilians much like the proxies wars and organization they have supported over the past 50-years. The end of Iran will likely be the end of all these terrorist groups as well.

[LVAllen]

I am pretty sure I have answered that question numerous times throughout this thread. Stop with the attempt to try and get me to say I am selective with who we should help.

I celebrate and am happy the people of Iran who are out from under this regime of evil. I will celebrate any liberation of a people, but will not, nor have the opinion we should be going around the world doing this. This was inevitable but should’ve happened during the uprising but for once I think Trump listened to his advisors and waited to make sure they had the best plan in place before taking action.

Iran has made the worse decision by attacking civilians in the region and have turned the entire ME against them. Best case scenario for U.S., stupid decision for them. But their actions prove who they are. They not only attack military, but civilians much like the proxies wars and organization they have supported over the past 50-years. The end of Iran will likely be the end of all these terrorist groups as well.

No, actually you haven't.

Why attack Iran specifically? You've said "freedom." The administration who celebrated the murder of Alex Pretti doesn't care about freedom. They haven't actually supported the Iranians who may seek change. They haven't told the ruling council what actions need to be taken to prevent future attacks. They haven't done anything but kill people. These are not the actions of someone who wants meaningful change. They are the actions of someone who was bored and wants to kill someone and get headlines.

And why attack now specifically? You want revenge for the murder of protestors? Because there was an opportunity? Wars of opportunity are illegal. There was no direct provocation here. There was no direct threat to the US or US interests here. Nothing in Iran's stance or position has changed in the last week, last month, or last 6 months.

You want to celebrate murder because you hate the murdered.