War with Iran - DEFCON 3

[LVAllen]

What is the strongest possible argument for the reasons behind bombing Iran?

That is - why launch Operation Epstein Fury at all?
And why launch it now?

There are multiple reasons why it's stupid and shortsighted. Those have been voiced by everyone from the Cato Institute to the New York Times. So what's the pro-bombing elementary schools argument?

[Northwestcoug]

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[chrisrenrut]

Have we ever had a more feckless Congress? Trump has initiated war without congressional approval.

Trumps words- ““The lives of courageous American heroes may be lost… and we may have casualties… that often happens in war.”

[dabrockster]

For all the lefties coming out to show how much you hate what Trump has done. I browse around and see posts much like this and wonder how they can justify the horrors that took place in Iran and still scream for equality and human rights in the same breathe.

The path for Iran is open to take control and no longer be ruled by an Evil dictator tyrant.

I can be happy for that and worried for what may come.

Iranian women are literally removing their hijabs and dancing in the middle of Tehran, two crimes in the Islamic regime. They have been longing for freedom for decades.

Can anyone explain why Western leftists who claim to care about women’s rights are against liberating them?

https://x.com/realmaalouf/status/202...wgQeKTws5vNdEg

IRAN ERUPTS: Protesters burn regime flags and raise the Lion & Sun banner, chanting “Long Live the Shah.”

A powerful symbol of rejection.

When people risk everything in the streets, the world should pay attention.

https://x.com/mcarbonarafl/status/2027708018238853137?s=46&t=kxf1Jv1zwgQeKTws5vNdEg

[LVAllen]

How has air-strike attempts at regime change worked the last dozen times it's been tried in Iran?

[dabrockster]

Iran strikes in ME countries has turned the entire region against them.

Gulf states condemn Iranian retaliatory strikes on their territories following US-Israeli operation

Saudi Arabia’s Foreign Ministry said it affirmed "its full solidarity with and unwavering support for the brotherly countries" and warned of "grave consequences resulting from the continued violation of states' sovereignty and the principles of international law."

TRUMP ENVOY WITKOFF AND JARED KUSHNER IN GENEVA FOR CLOSELY WATCHED IRAN NEGOTIATIONS

The United Arab Emirates' Ministry of Defense said the country "was subjected to a blatant attack involving Iranian ballistic missiles," adding that air defense systems "successfully intercepted a number of missiles." Authorities said falling debris in a residential area caused "one civilian death of an Asian nationality" and material damage.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/gulf-states-condemn-iranian-retaliatory-strikes-territories-following-us-israeli-operation

[dabrockster]

How has air-strike attempts at regime change worked the last dozen times it's been tried in Iran?

Ummm. I don’t know of any air strikes used for regime change against Iran. I asked google AI and ChatGPT and all it speaks to is direct strikes against nuclear facilities.

Soo. None. Because it hasn’t happened before.

[dabrockster]

Not sure how accurate this is, but others saying this is the US Navy HQ where families reside.

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[frank ryan]

If Iran killing and oppressing their own citizenry is rational justification for attacking Iran, the US could be fighting all over the globe. Myanmar, Sudan, South Sudan, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Libya, Haiti, Colombia, Afghanistan, Yemen, Syria, CAF, DR Congo, Nigeria, Ukraine

I think it helps to not assume the best of intentions when it comes to this administration

[dabrockster]

What is the strongest possible argument for the reasons behind bombing Iran?

That is - why launch Operation Epstein Fury at all?
And why launch it now?

There are multiple reasons why it's stupid and shortsighted. Those have been voiced by everyone from the Cato Institute to the New York Times. So what's the pro-bombing elementary schools argument?

I searched for this based on your statement and found nothing reliable. There are reports of this but also that is is old footage and not of Iran today.

[dabrockster]

I find it so ironic when it comes to actions, we see such a response and the assumption is always evil, but when Obama or Biden does such a thing, it is the opposite response.

Can you be more of a hypocrite.

[Shaka]

It's about time. We should have done this a few wee.....I mean decades ago. Looking at you Jimmy Carter.

[LVAllen]

I find it so ironic when it comes to actions, we see such a response and the assumption is always evil, but when Obama or Biden does such a thing, it is the opposite response.

Can you be more of a hypocrite.

Not hypocrisy in the least. Given his history, Trump is not entitled to a presumption of regularity. It's up to him (or you, if you want to defend him) to prove the purpose behind any action is a valid one, instead of the typical corrupt BS.

I searched for this based on your statement and found nothing reliable. There are reports of this but also that is is old footage and not of Iran today.

Iran claims elementary schools were hit today. Should we believe them? Don't know. But the claim has been widely reported.

Again: what is the pro-bombing argument? The strongest, most air-tight case you, or anyone in this administration or otherwise can dream up.

[Northwestcoug]

Even if bombing Iran is justified (either to destroy the previously obliterated nuclear capabilities that somehow got up and running months later, so much so that they are 'days away' from building a bomb, or for regime change), how is the current situation anywhere close to operating within globally accepted norms? If it's such a righteous cause, how come Trump et al are hell bent on executing it in a way that guarantees widespread condemnation and zero cooperation other than Israel and rogue Middle East states that have their own reasons to want to topple Iran? It bears repeating, at least the rest of the world tried to do the Iraq War right, by convincing governments and people that it was just.

Is this war as just as most of the world thought the Iraq war was? What's the end game, since apparently the US and Israel are incapable of keeping Iran from being 'days away' (repeat, ad infinitum) from a nuclear weapon? If it's regime change, good luck on having any other outcome from the western world that lost its interest with Iraq after about 10 years.

[Copelius]

Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Jordan and the United Arab Emirates are not what come to mind when I hear the "rogue Middle East states. "

I don't know that it's justified, but some of those calling for something a month or so ago when Iran was gunning people down in the streets seem to have changed their position on the issue. I credit Trump for likely listening to senior military advisors and allowing for the necessary assets to be positioned before initiating any action, which I assume was fully planned and war gamed for max effectiveness, rather than going off half-cocked and simply banging the hornet's nest.