War with Iran - DEFCON 3

[Maximus]

lol

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[frank ryan]

That's why the banner is there.

Good point!

[Moliere]

Charlie Kirk wasn't pro-education

Never change Frank

[Jeff Lebowski]

This is for funk.

[dabrockster]

Push from Saudis, Israel helped move Trump to attack Iran

Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman made multiple private phone calls to Trump over the past month advocating a U.S. attack, despite his public support for a diplomatic solution, the four people said. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, meanwhile, continued his long-running public campaign for U.S. strikes against what he views as an existential enemy of his country.

The combined effort helped lead Trump to order a massive aerial campaign against Iran’s leadership and military, which in its initial hour led to the death of Khamenei and several other senior Iranian officials.

As those talks proceeded, Riyadh issued a statement, following a phone call between the crown prince and Iranian President Masoud Pezeshkian, that Mohammed would not allow Saudi airspace or territory to be used in an attack on Iran.

In his discussions with U.S. officials, however, the Saudi leader warned that Iran would come away stronger and more dangerous if the United States did not strike now, after amassing the largest military presence in the Middle East since the 2003 invasion of Iraq, said the people, who, like others, spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the sensitive situation.

Mohammed’s position was reinforced by his brother, Saudi Defense Minister Khalid bin Salman, who held closed-door meetings with U.S. officials in Washington in January and warned about the downsides of not attacking, the people said.

The Saudi leader’s complicated position probably reflected his desire to avoid Iranian retaliation against his country’s vulnerable oil infrastructure, weighed against his view of Tehran as Riyadh’s ultimate foe in the region, said those familiar with his thinking. Iran, dominated by Shiite Muslims, and Saudi Arabia, led by Sunnis, have long had an intense rivalry that has generated proxy wars in the region.

Following the initial U.S. attack on Saturday, Iran did retaliate against Saudi Arabia. Riyadh issued a furious statement condemning the attack and calling on the international community to “take all necessary and decisive measures” to confront Iran.

A Saudi official said Riyadh has been “consistent in supporting diplomatic efforts to reach a credible deal with Iran. At no point in all our communications with the Trump administration did we lobby the president to adopt a different policy.”

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/push-from-saudis-israel-helped-move-trump-to-attack-iran/ar-AA1XhnBW

[Shaka]

This is for funk.

[frank ryan]

Never change Frank

He wasn't. lol. He made his living going after liberal bias at colleges despite never getting past some junior college classes.

I think he was one of those abolish the department of education guys. That's why AA's post makes sense

[Northwestcoug]

Very serious people taking war planning very seriously:

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[wally]

He wasn't. lol. He made his living going after liberal bias at colleges despite never getting past some junior college classes.

I think he was one of those abolish the department of education guys. That's why AA's post makes sense

Actually, it is very important that CK never be remembered for anything positive, or in an positive light whatsoever, and that's why your work in making sure of that is so important. That's why Moliere's post asking you never to change makes so much sense.

[Maximus]

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[frank ryan]

Actually, it is very important that CK never be remembered for anything positive, or in an positive light whatsoever, and that's why your work in making sure of that is so important. That's why Moliere's post asking you never to change makes so much sense.

Give me a break. Anything short of a hagiography won't suffice for you. Yeah, it's ironic the guy who came to relevance attacking higher ed and the Department of Ed has a banner hung where it is.

[YOhio]

Very serious people taking war planning very seriously:

So far the war planning seems to be going pretty darn well. For the most part it seems to be masterful execution of multi-domain warfare. I think General Caine is impressive. It's just the "post-war" part we always seem to forget about.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Actually, it is very important that CK never be remembered for anything positive, or in an positive light whatsoever, and that's why your work in making sure of that is so important. That's why Moliere's post asking you never to change makes so much sense.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Uh oh. They’ve lost Matt Walsh.

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[Clark Addison]

Uh oh. They’ve lost Matt Walsh.

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I think there are actually very valid reasons to justify attacking Iran, but, as much as this sentence hurts to say, Matt Walsh is absolutely right. For the last 8 years MAGA has been saying this is exactly the thing that Trump stops the US from doing. If Biden had done this, MAGA would be talking impeachment.

This is not a criticism of anyone on this board, as I think pretty much everyone here are honest actors (though we of course all have biases). As I said, I think a very valid case can be made that this war is, if not necessary, something that needed to be done. I also think a very valid case can be made for the opposite.