President Trump: Making America Great Again...

[frank ryan]

I know Venezuela is not the in Middle East. I'm comparing it to Iraq because I think it is another, perhaps even more of, an unneeded armed conflict that we are walking right into.

That is why I find it comparable

[tooblue]

I am curious to know what the opinion of the María Corina Machado (Noble Winner) is on our Military stance on Venezuela as well as the Narco Terrorist actions Trump has been doing.

Seems she is in support of our military action and has also spoken out in favor of what she calls a “Transition” of power from Maduro.

To me, I think it is just another inch towards what I think is WWIII actions or a prelude to all our war. These are mini-actions to position ourselves better for when it become Lana war against China.

Russia invading Ukraine, China visiting Venezuela, and now the possible movement of regime change at the action of America. Will we actually send troops. I think Trump is posturing and hoping Maduro exits and goes to Cuba to live out is life or in some safe-haven country.

But, I won’t put it past him to take him out by Assassination. I mean, he blew up Irans facilities. I just hope all the ducks of the post power-struggle is in place to ensure we don’t have him replaced by another dictator.

Lastly, this is not even comparable to Iraq. This is not the Middle East.

For comparison sake:

Iraq:

• oil rich nation
• governed by a despot

Venezuela:

• oil rich nation
• governed by a despot

Also, Maduro and Saddam Hussein look similar enough they could actually be confused as family. Of course, the perceived physical resemblance is a coincidence but the value of each oil rich country to the US is not.

[Jeff Lebowski]

I haven't followed the discussion in this thread, but I think the video telling military members they don't need to obey illegal rules was a dumb political stunt.

[YOhio]

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This is super ambitious and exciting. I'm sure it will hit some roadblocks and all of that, but I applaud the vision. About 15 years ago the company I was with built an HPC network on a high-speed fiber line between PNNL, ORNL, AFRL, and a few other labs to do this kind of work. Unfortunately we just couldn't get the sustainment funding to make any kind of impact and it fizzled. So happy to see this effort moving forward.

[Jeff Lebowski]

This is super ambitious and exciting. I'm sure it will hit some roadblocks and all of that, but I applaud the vision. About 15 years ago the company I was with built an HPC network on a high-speed fiber line between PNNL, ORNL, AFRL, and a few other labs to do this kind of work. Unfortunately we just couldn't get the sustainment funding to make any kind of impact and it fizzled. So happy to see this effort moving forward.

Very cool.

One of the exiting things I expect to see eventually from AI is medical and scientific breakthroughs at a much more rapid pace. People focus on automation, but I think the benefits can go way beyond that.

[falafel]

I have asked for sources and for unlawful action. Have gotten zilch. Don’t flip the coin on me here. No one has yet to tell me an unlawful order has been given.

As for Trump and Vance is in the military. Give me an example. Happy to tell you my opinion. But again, you may see that I find it in bad form too. Not to the level I see this but who knows..

Haha, that's not how it works. No one has claimed that an illegal order has already been given. You are asking to prove a negative. But you are claiming something affirmative. Big difference.

[Northwestcoug]

Very cool.

One of the exiting things I expect to see eventually from AI is medical and scientific breakthroughs at a much more rapid pace. People focus on automation, but I think the benefits can go way beyond that.

It's been fun to trash bad AI outcomes for awhile, but yes this is the most promising future. It's bound to be very significant. And I'm not talking about increasing life expectancy to absurd amounts, but real incremental advancements in all fields.

[Northwestcoug]

I have asked for sources and for unlawful action. Have gotten zilch. Don’t flip the coin on me here. No one has yet to tell me an unlawful order has been given.

As for Trump and Vance is in the military. Give me an example. Happy to tell you my opinion. But again, you may see that I find it in bad form too. Not to the level I see this but who knows..

Remember the first term of hell when he wanted the military to shoot George Floyd protesters in the legs? Does that cross your illegality threshold?

[Maximus]

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[Northwestcoug]

At the current rate we're going to need a lot of AI help to dig the country out of the looming health catastrophe:

Dr. Ralph Lee Abraham, who as Louisiana’s surgeon general ordered the state health department to stop promoting vaccinations and who has called Covid vaccines “dangerous,” has been named the second in command at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention...

During the Covid-19 pandemic, Dr. Abraham backed the drug hydroxychloroquine, a medication normally used to treat or prevent malaria, and supported making ivermectin, a drug for parasitic infections in animals and humans, available over the counter. Both drugs have been shown to be ineffective against Covid...

As a top health official, Dr. Abraham halted the state health department’s mass vaccination campaigns. While childhood vaccines are “an important part of providing immunity to our children,” he said, conversations about “whether or not a vaccine is right for a specific person, are best had with the individual’s health care provider.”

Under his leadership, Louisiana’s health department waited two months to alert residents about a whooping cough, or pertussis, outbreak in the state that had caused two deaths. Health departments typically quickly alert the public about outbreaks and set up mass vaccination campaigns.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/25/h...imes&smtyp=cur

Your move, supposedly serious GOP senators who could grind legislation to a halt until RFK Jr. is removed...

[dabrockster]

Haha, that's not how it works. No one has claimed that an illegal order has already been given. You are asking to prove a negative. But you are claiming something affirmative. Big difference.

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[falafel]

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Your quarrel is with LV Allen sir, not with me.

But just because LVA didn't respond with the proof you wanted doesn't mean that you get to just claim whatever without push back. If you KNOW that the killings in the Caribbean are 100%, then tell us how. If not, then don't state emphatically that they are.

[LVAllen]

Your quarrel is with LV Allen sir, not with me.

But just because LVA didn't respond with the proof you wanted doesn't mean that you get to just claim whatever without push back. If you KNOW that the killings in the Caribbean are 100%, then tell us how. If not, then don't state emphatically that they are.

He has said this video encourages defiance in the military. Since the message of the video was "you don't have to obey illegal orders," it only encourages defiance if there exists an order that can be interpreted as being illegal. Thus, his position requires that there be an order that can be interpreted as being illegal. Yet he says there have been no illegal orders. If there are no illegal orders, the video does not enourage defiance.

If there have been illegal orders given, and this video does encourage defiance of those orders, he views the video as a bad thing. I would prefer to focus on the illegal orders being given as the source of the problem, not the response to those orders.

[falafel]

He has said this video encourages defiance in the military. Since the message of the video was "you don't have to obey illegal orders," it only encourages defiance if there exists an order that can be interpreted as being illegal. Thus, his position requires that there be an order that can be interpreted as being illegal. Yet he says there have been no illegal orders. If there are no illegal orders, the video does not encourage defiance.

If there have been illegal orders given, and this video does encourage defiance of those orders, he views the video as a bad thing. I would prefer to focus on the illegal orders being given as the source of the problem, not the response to those orders.

If I may serve as the devil's advocate on this one...

I understand the counterpoint to be that the very suggestion that an illegal order may be forthcoming is inappropriate, as it may encourage service members to question the orders they are given and attempt to evaluate whether a particular order is legal or illegal. Something that, based on the comments of Bo and other current or former service members, may be considered by service members as an entirely political act that does nothing but implant the idea that an order might not be legitimate.

[dabrockster]

If I may serve as the devil's advocate on this one...

I understand the counterpoint to be that the very suggestion that an illegal order may be forthcoming is inappropriate, as it may encourage service members to question the orders they are given and attempt to evaluate whether a particular order is legal or illegal. Something that, based on the comments of Bo and other current or former service members, may be considered by service members as an entirely political act that does nothing but implant the idea that an order might not be legitimate.

A good friend of mine and retired USAF had this to say and hits it on the nail and again just shows another hypocritical left has over such actions when they are not the one in control.


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In 2011, the Obama Admin used drones to kill an American born (Las Cruces, NM) citizen named Anwar al-Awlaki. al-Awlaki was of Yemeni descent and spent time in both countries pursuing his education, got radicalized, and started speaking out against the U.S. The Obama Admin accused him of being a part of Al Qaeda in Yemen and added his name to a presidential "kill list." This was approved by Obama's DOJ. A few weeks later, they killed his 16 y/o son who was also an American born (Denver, CO) citizen.

These gentlemen were probably terrorist shitbags. I won't mourn their deaths. However, at no point in all of this was there a semblance of due process. The judiciary, trial in absentia etc was not involved or accomplished., respectively.This assassination was accomplished solely by executive action...i.e. Obama's orders. This is the legal and moral gray area in which service members operate in. As an intellectual exercise, this is exactly the type of order the "Seditious Six" want our troops to start questioning. 9.9 times out of ten, an illegal order is not "Hey, go kill those unarmed women and children." It is very complicated.

So...what would have happened to the drone pilot if they had refused this order? Presumably, the pilot is not a lawyer and may not understand the legal intricacies at play here and whether it was a "legal" order. This also assumes the pilot even knew it was a fellow American he was killing. In the military, you have to trust your chain of command. Without that, it all falls apart. At best, the drone pilot would have been relieved of duty. At worst, they would have been court-martialed. Meanwhile, the Senate members who encouraged this will be sipping their lattes at the Russell Senate bldg while the troop is making big rocks into little rocks at a place like Leavenworth.