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  • Originally posted by Northwestcoug View Post

    If denying a bedrock constitutional principle like due process by killing suspected drug runners isn’t illegal, it sure as hell ought to be.

    We are in a bad place that government-sponsored extrajudicial killing of suspected criminals is not considered the biggest scandal of Trump’s presidency.
    There are many but the fact is. It is not unlawful. No matter how you feel or what you think, doesn’t make it unlawful.

    I have said my peace. I think our entire branches of govt to be full of corrupt, self-serving POS. The only one I have any ounce of respect is our Military, so any attempt to throw them into the fray is complete bullshit move.

    I like many other Americans, just want an adult to step up as a leader to work on a path where the ultra right and left are not running things into the ground. Sadly, there is none.

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    • Thanks for the response Brock.

      Originally posted by dabrockster View Post

      Why Support it? Really? Sorry, but I find it irresponsible and is a tactic used in 3rd world countries to usurp a President. On a global scale, the actions of both parties are equivalent to a petulant brat who does not get his way. The infighting is not cooling but increasing. Truthfully, these bully-bubba and color revolution tactics only solidify everyone in their opinion on or against President Trump.
      I believe the reason why these congressmen and women made the video is because they see a significant and growing chance that Trump, or Hegseth, or Noem, or JD Vance WILL issue an illegal order. You may not agree with that view, but if you don't, I would take a look at the extrajudicial killings going on in the Caribbean. The U.S. has killed over 80 in these on-going boat bombings, which the administration says are narco-terrorists. Yet they haven't released ANY actual justification for that claim and don't appear likely to do so at any time in the future. Of course, I am cannot say those are "illegal" order to kill these people, because I don't have the info to make that evaluation. Because the administration won't tell us. But so far, I haven't seen any constitutional justification that would pass muster.

      I hope you can see how in that situation, an illegal order could be given and we wouldn't know about it. An illegal order may already have been given.

      Originally posted by dabrockster View Post
      And to lessen what they did to a speed limit sign seems rather disingenuous..
      Oh no, I am not lessening it to speeding. Far from it. All I meant with that comment was that surely you must agree that it is not problematic to inform people of the law before any law has been broken. Mark Kelly and the others telling military members what the UCMJ says is a kin to the city posting the speed limit. Vance is trying to sell some bullshit argument that reminding servicemembers about the law is somehow a crime in and of itself.

      Originally posted by dabrockster View Post
      Name another time in American history where sitting congressman has made such a statement. Only one I can think of is right before the south pursued succession.
      Why? Is something only valid if it has happened before? We've never had anyone like Trump before. I don't understand your argument here. If you are saying it is unprecedented, well, we absolutely live in unprecedented times.

      Originally posted by dabrockster View Post
      So yeah. I find it reprehensible to engaging in political theater with our soldiers (Who should be above this). What they have done is placed us no different Argentina, Chile or other countries that have instigated such actions.
      Do you also find it reprehensible for Trump and Hegseth and Vance to engage in political theater with our soldiers? Because I haven't heard a PEEP from you when they do it. This take sounds a little biased, if not hypocritical.
      Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.

      Dig your own grave, and save!

      "The only one of us who is so significant that Jeff owes us something simply because he decided to grace us with his presence is falafel." -- All-American

      "I know that you are one of the cool and 'edgy' BYU fans" -- Wally

      GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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      • Originally posted by dabrockster View Post

        There are many but the fact is. It is not unlawful. No matter how you feel or what you think, doesn’t make it unlawful.

        I have said my peace. I think our entire branches of govt to be full of corrupt, self-serving POS. The only one I have any ounce of respect is our Military, so any attempt to throw them into the fray is complete bullshit move.

        I like many other Americans, just want an adult to step up as a leader to work on a path where the ultra right and left are not running things into the ground. Sadly, there is none.
        Whoa, what? You are claiming it is not illegal? Now you need to cite your sources.
        Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.

        Dig your own grave, and save!

        "The only one of us who is so significant that Jeff owes us something simply because he decided to grace us with his presence is falafel." -- All-American

        "I know that you are one of the cool and 'edgy' BYU fans" -- Wally

        GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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        • Comey and James had their cases dismissed. Can Trump refrain from acting like a dictator and drop the punishment persecutions?

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          • Originally posted by myboynoah View Post
            No worries. The Department of War is on top of this.

            That's just vile. Hegseth does not belong in any position of public trust.

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            • Originally posted by frank ryan View Post
              Comey and James had their cases dismissed. Can Trump refrain from acting like a dictator and drop the punishment persecutions?
              Of course not. I am expecting him to rage against the lunatic liberal leftist judges who are ruining America.
              Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.

              Dig your own grave, and save!

              "The only one of us who is so significant that Jeff owes us something simply because he decided to grace us with his presence is falafel." -- All-American

              "I know that you are one of the cool and 'edgy' BYU fans" -- Wally

              GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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              • Originally posted by falafel View Post

                Whoa, what? You are claiming it is not illegal? Now you need to cite your sources.
                I have asked for sources and for unlawful action. Have gotten zilch. Don’t flip the coin on me here. No one has yet to tell me an unlawful order has been given.

                As for Trump and Vance is in the military. Give me an example. Happy to tell you my opinion. But again, you may see that I find it in bad form too. Not to the level I see this but who knows..

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                • Originally posted by dabrockster View Post

                  I have asked for sources and for unlawful action. Have gotten zilch. Don’t flip the coin on me here. No one has yet to tell me an unlawful order has been given.

                  As for Trump and Vance is in the military. Give me an example. Happy to tell you my opinion. But again, you may see that I find it in bad form too. Not to the level I see this but who knows..
                  Court Finds Trumps Use of Soldiers in Los Angeles Is Illegal

                  https://www.brennancenter.org/our-wo...ngeles-illegal

                  A federal court has ruled that President Trump's use of the National Guard around Los Angeles violates the Posse Comitatus Act, which bars the military from participating in civilian law enforcement ...

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                  • Originally posted by tooblue View Post

                    Court Finds Trumps Use of Soldiers in Los Angelas Is Illegal

                    https://www.brennancenter.org/our-wo...ngeles-illegal

                    A federal court has ruled that President Trump's use of the National Guard around Los Angeles violates the Posse Comitatus Act, which bards the military from participating in in civilian law enforcement ...
                    Judge rules Trump's National Guard deployment to D.C. is illegal

                    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/judge-r...yment-illegal/

                    "A federal judge ruled Thursday that President Trump's months-long deployment of thousands of National Guard forces to the streets of Washington, D.C., violates federal law."


                    Assessing the Facts and Legal Questions About the U.S. Strikes on Alleged Drug Boats

                    https://www.factcheck.org/2025/10/as...ed-drug-boats/

                    It is reasonable to question whether or not the Trump administration is putting military personnel in legal jeopardy.

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                    • Beyond the military, there is this:

                      Judge dismisses Comey, James indictments after finding that prosecutor was illegally appointed

                      https://apnews.com/article/comey-jam...0ade15e20745b5

                      "The orders do not concern the substance of the allegations against Comey or James but instead deal with the unconventional manner in which the prosecutor, Lindsey Halligan, was named to her position as interim U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia. Defense lawyers said the Trump administration had no legal authority to make the appointment. In a pair of similar rulings, Currie agreed and said the invalid appointment required the dismissal of the cases."

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                      • Originally posted by dabrockster View Post

                        I have asked for sources and for unlawful action. Have gotten zilch. Don’t flip the coin on me here. No one has yet to tell me an unlawful order has been given.
                        I get the "innnocent until proven guilty" assertion here, but when the people who would be in charge of charging and proving guilt are Kash Patel, Pam Bondi, and Todd Blanche, there isn't much chance the question of guilt is ever even asked.

                        If the killings on the Caribbean Sea are legal, why did they chose to release and not prosecute the two survivors? It definitely brings into question whether they actually have the evidence they claim to have that these are narco-terrorists, as gray as that term may be.

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                        • Originally posted by chrisrenrut View Post

                          If the killings on the Caribbean Sea are legal, why did they chose to release and not prosecute the two survivors? It definitely brings into question whether they actually have the evidence they claim to have that these are narco-terrorists, as gray as that term may be.
                          That's the incomprehensible part. Doesn't that prove their assurances false? If only 'narco-terrorists' are being targeted how come they've sent innocents back?

                          "...you pointy-headed autopsy nerd. Do you think it's possible for you to post without using words like "hilarious," "absurd," "canard," and "truther"? Your bare assertions do not make it so. Maybe your reasoning is too stunted and your vocabulary is too limited to go without these epithets."
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                          • Trump really doesn't want people focusing on Epstein.

                            Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!

                            For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.

                            Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."

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                            • Originally posted by myboynoah View Post
                              Trump really doesn't want people focusing on Epstein.

                              All the people who rightfully kvetched about the Iraq war, here is an opportunity to call out an unnecessary disaster before it starts.

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                              • I am curious to know what the opinion of the María Corina Machado (Noble Winner) is on our Military stance on Venezuela as well as the Narco Terrorist actions Trump has been doing.

                                Seems she is in support of our military action and has also spoken out in favor of what she calls a “Transition” of power from Maduro.

                                To me, I think it is just another inch towards what I think is WWIII actions or a prelude to all our war. These are mini-actions to position ourselves better for when it become Lana war against China.

                                Russia invading Ukraine, China visiting Venezuela, and now the possible movement of regime change at the action of America. Will we actually send troops. I think Trump is posturing and hoping Maduro exits and goes to Cuba to live out is life or in some safe-haven country.

                                But, I won’t put it past him to take him out by Assassination. I mean, he blew up Irans facilities. I just hope all the ducks of the post power-struggle is in place to ensure we don’t have him replaced by another dictator.

                                Lastly, this is not even comparable to Iraq. This is not the Middle East.

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