President Trump: Making America Great Again...

[frank ryan]

The attempt to paint Biden’s economic policies as socialism is laughable on its face. Biden has a legislative record. Even taking into account his drift leftward the past few years, he is still center left. The chance of his policies hurtling us toward a depression is about the same as the current GOP’s policies.

He is a boring moderate and people act like he is Bernie or AOC. It's a bit paranoid to fall for that. Even if one wanted to equate Harris to Bernie or AOC, that would be inaccurate.

[Harry Tic]

I havent ruled out voting for Trump and I absolutely loath him. My vote is Biden's to lose, but I am really afraid that he has lost his mind. If his job is taken over by Kamala Harris, as the constitution provides, then I just need to know what her positions are, not too hard to find out. But if he is propped up like a puppet with the decisions coming from some shadowy cabal, then I want to know more. He wouldn't be the first or even the second US president to govern in name only.

Are you saying you are a persuadable voter? Don't let either of the parties or any media outlets know. Your phone will never stop ringing.

[Harry Tic]

He is a boring moderate and people act like he is Bernie or AOC. It's a bit paranoid to fall for that. Even if one wanted to equate Harris to Bernie or AOC, that would be inaccurate.

With apologies to my Bernie-loving friends (and I get it), the best thing about a Biden presidency would be how boring it would be. I would not miss feeling obliged to log onto Twitter as soon as I wake up to figure out what damn-fool thing the president has done now. I'm tired of being an extra in Donald's reality show.

[Moliere]

What, exactly, are these nefarious economic policies of Biden that so terrify you, and what, exactly, are the economic policies of Trump that have you geeked enough to ignore his stench?

Biden’s fracking ban scares me but I’m still voting for him. It could put me out of a job and it’s not based on science or economics but I still won’t vote for Trump.


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[Now who’s the dean?]

Biden’s fracking ban scares me but I’m still voting for him. It could put me out of a job and it’s not based on science or economics but I still won’t vote for Trump.


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On Monday, in a speech in Pittsburgh, the Democratic presidential nominee said “I am not banning fracking. Let me say that again: I am not banning fracking.”

https://apple.news/AhbJkGgZwT8Olg5GuGWj2Ng

[Moliere]

https://apple.news/AhbJkGgZwT8Olg5GuGWj2Ng

Ha, of course he’s going to say that in Pennsylvania, he’s a politician so he’ll say whatever he has to to get elected. He’s in record, several times, saying that he won’t allow any new fracking in public lands. That’s a big deal in areas like New Mexico that are mostly federal lands. Texas is different since it’s mostly private land.


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[Bo Diddley]

I guess the CiC isn't really in charge of the military?

I'm not saying the military's in love with me -- the soldiers are, the top people in the Pentagon probably aren't because they want to do nothing but fight wars so that all of those wonderful companies that make the bombs and make the planes and make everything else stay happy

[Now who’s the dean?]

I guess the CiC isn't really in charge of the military?

Also we’re going to economically decouple from China so that’s pretty good. People are, of their own free will, choosing to vote for this guy. Amazing.

[Jeff Lebowski]

I guess the CiC isn't really in charge of the military?

Incredibly stupid and ham-fisted attempt to gain some favor with soldiers by throwing the military leadership under the bus.

[Northwestcoug]

This is the guy who touts the trillion dollar or whatever it was increase in the military budget, the majority of it going to the pet projects of those senior military officers so they can continue with all that warmongering he supposedly despises. He really is an idiot.

[cowboy]

Which policies have a high likelihood of plunging us into a depression? Are they the same ones that plunged us into the Clinton and Obama depressions?

What, exactly, are these nefarious economic policies of Biden that so terrify you, and what, exactly, are the economic policies of Trump that have you geeked enough to ignore his stench?

The attempt to paint Biden’s economic policies as socialism is laughable on its face...

How has political discourse degenerated to this? Someone who Trump gives a slight edge in one area of leadership is met with snark, and accused of "geeking" over the guy? Really?

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that the faster businesses are able to return to normal, the faster GDP rebounds. Trump is generally anti-regulation, which will have a more positive effect on a fragile economy than Biden's pro-regulation bent. One can argue about the extent of the effects, and the externalities of the different philosophies, but further regulation of emissions, etc. seem almost certain to tip a teetering economy.
I think we have a high likelihood of GDP remaining below 2019 Q4 levels for the next year, regardless of the president, but in this environment I believe we cannot afford any restrictions on business' ability to rebound. While Biden definitely has a better trade policy, personal consumption comprises nearly 70% of GDP, and dropped 14% in Q2 alone, so domestic economic policy has more potential to affect GDP than trade.

My criticism of Trump during the pandemic is about the things he has done/said. Not the things he should have done.

With rare exception, his actions and words have made my job more difficult. The amount of time and mental energy wasted refuting all of verbal diarrhea cannot be understated.

From the initial denials that COVID was a problem, to aggressively promoting an unproven (now proven ineffective) treatment, mocking mask wearers, complaining that we are doing to much testing, etc, etc, etc.

The amount of wasted energy on hydroxychloroquine alone is damning. The day after his "game changer" statement, the FDA gave it EUA status. Which basically opened the flood gates to its use. In doing so, getting people into randomized trials was delayed and even thwarted. Because no one would agree to potentially receive a placebo if there was a chance that it could help. Without the EUA, there were enough patients in NYC alone the first three weeks of the pandemic to get adequate numbers to give us a definitive answer on HCQ by mid May. Instead, it took until July to get enough randomized data. Even after that, we still are wasting energy and time refuting every doctor who is trying to drive viewers to their YouTube by claiming a political conspiracy is holding back this revolutionary "cure".

If he would just shut his damn mouth and let the professionals do their job, he wouldn't be behind the 8 ball in the polls, even with the same outcomes as they are.

But that is never going to happen, so here we are.

I agree with all of this. The problem I see from a non-medical provider's perspective is the mixed signals from everyone, from WHO to the CDC. I don't know anyone who takes Trump's medical opinions seriously, but he certainly did more harm than good whenever he opened his mouth about the subject. Given the amount of travel and social interaction before WHO issued warnings, it seems not much could have been done to prevent COVID's spread

[beefytee]

How has political discourse degenerated to this? Someone who Trump gives a slight edge in one area of leadership is met with snark, and accused of "geeking" over the guy? Really?

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that the faster businesses are able to return to normal, the faster GDP rebounds. Trump is generally anti-regulation, which will have a more positive effect on a fragile economy than Biden's pro-regulation bent. One can argue about the extent of the effects, and the externalities of the different philosophies, but further regulation of emissions, etc. seem almost certain to tip a teetering economy.
I think we have a high likelihood of GDP remaining below 2019 Q4 levels for the next year, regardless of the president, but in this environment I believe we cannot afford any restrictions on business' ability to rebound. While Biden definitely has a better trade policy, personal consumption comprises nearly 70% of GDP, and dropped 14% in Q2 alone, so domestic economic policy has more potential to affect GDP than trade.


I agree with all of this. The problem I see from a non-medical provider's perspective is the mixed signals from everyone, from WHO to the CDC. I don't know anyone who takes Trump's medical opinions seriously, but he certainly did more harm than good whenever he opened his mouth about the subject. Given the amount of travel and social interaction before WHO issued warnings, it seems not much could have been done to prevent COVID's spread

My personal uninformed opinion is that whoever handles the virus better handles the economy better. The economy is pretty much exclusively tied to the effects of the virus right now. I don't know that regulations are going to play a large part of it unless the virus...just goes away.

I also can't say that either's handling of the virus will make much difference.

So I guess my opinion isn't too far from yours in that neither potential President is going to make much difference.

[cowboy]

My personal uninformed opinion is that whoever handles the virus better handles the economy better. The economy is pretty much exclusively tied to the effects of the virus right now. I don't know that regulations are going to play a large part of it unless the virus...just goes away.

I also can't say that either's handling of the virus will make much difference.

So I guess my opinion isn't too far from yours in that neither potential President is going to make much difference.

I don't see much a president can do to 'handle' the virus at this point. How we adjust to resuming normal business activity in a world with the virus could have a tremendous impact on the economy.

[falafel]

I don't see much a president can do to 'handle' the virus at this point. How we adjust to resuming normal business activity in a world with the virus could have a tremendous impact on the economy.

But most of that is dependent on what governors do, not the President.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Come on. The most important thing a president can do is show some leadership. Maybe not promote stupid anti-scientific nonsense and definitely not politicize or ridicule something as important as wearing masks. Trump is the worst kind of leader to have in a pandemic.