President Trump: Making America Great Again...

[myboynoah]

Has the curve been flattened? Have we given our hospitals time time to gear up for the most severe COVID-19 cases? If the answer is yes (and in most places the answer is a resounding yes) then Trump is not entirely wrong. I hate having to say that, because fuck Trump. I truly hate him and can’t stand listening to a thing he says. Is he overstating things as he always does? Yes. But it’s clear this thing has been politicized beyond reason by both sides.

Either COVID-19 wasn’t nearly the danger to all that it was purported to be, or we have flattened the curve. Either way, we can’t continue to live in lockdown. Lockdown was the right thing to do back in March when we were still unsure of the potential ramifications and there was a concern of overwhelming the hospitals. Now that we know more, and now that that has not happened anywhere in the US outside of NYC (the only city in our country even remotely similar to a large European city) the SIP-at-all-costs position is no longer about saving lives. Lockdown until there’s a vaccine 12-18 months from now is not reasonable, and anyone who says it is is either stupid or intellectually dishonest.

Also, you’re fooling yourself if you think the left wouldn’t trade 1M lives if it meant Trump would lose the election.

I'm not fooling myself. I don't see the left making that trade at all.

I support moving forward, but in a measured way that makes sense and minimizes risk. We cold do that. Trump is pushing for full steam ahead because he sees that as his only path to victory. I disagree with him on that. He could have run as the measured, COVID warrior, and won. But he doesn't have that in him. He's an impatient, self-centered 13-year-old.

[Donuthole]

I support moving forward, but in a measured way that makes sense and minimizes risk. We cold do that. Trump is pushing for full steam ahead because he sees that as his only path to victory. I disagree with him on that. He could have run as the measured, COVID warrior, and won. But he doesn't have that in him. He's an impatient, self-centered 13-year-old.

Or he’s talking out his ass, as he is wont to do, even though he knows opening up to that extent probably won’t happen that quickly. So maybe save the outrage for when he does something more than talk big.

[Northwestcoug]

Also, you’re fooling yourself if you think the left wouldn’t trade 1M lives if it meant Trump would lose the election.

Do you believe that? How about the other side? Do you think the right would take the same deal, if it was Hillary?

Maybe the extreme outliers on each side are psychopaths. But the majority of people near the middle would never gamble with a million deaths. I need to believe that.

But I don’t want to think about the sorry state of our politics too much; it might make me reconsider my relative optimism.

[myboynoah]

Or he’s talking out his ass, as he is wont to do, even though he knows opening up to that extent probably won’t happen that quickly. So maybe save the outrage for when he does something more than talk big.

Sure he's talking out his ass. That's his MO. He throws shit at the wall hoping something with stick. Sometimes it does, like when protesters armed with automatic weapons show up at a "open up" rally. Or when he decides to fire practically every inspector general in DC. Or when he tries to co-opt a President of Ukraine to smear his political opponent.

I used to think, "Oh, he's just talking out his ass" for most of this shenanigans. Then something existential hit. I don't laugh at that anymore. I have plenty of outrage for that failure as a human being.

But this shit is dangerous because he is the POTUS and people actually follow him.

[myboynoah]

Compare and contrast.

Sad, so sad.

[Uncle Ted]

Compare and contrast.

Sad, so sad.

Here's the comparison that matters... Public opinion:

Trump approval at Gallup ‘highest,’ better than Obama, Bush

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Two points higher than Pres. O. Sad indeed. It's sad that the democrats can't get their crap together, forget their socialist "new green deal" fairytale, and pick a candidate that is worth voting for. #WriteInMitt

[Walter Sobchak]

Neither President Obama nor President Bush were great presidents. But I get it, both were re-elected.

[PaloAltoCougar]

Another way to look at those polls is the fact that, rightly or wrongly, presidents tend to have the highest approval ratings in the midst of a war or major (I'm tempted to write existential but that's a bit much), as the country rallies around the president. Trump has had an opportunity to show real leadership with some "our finest hour" moments, but has whiffed badly. Not very impressed if 49% is the best he can do under such circumstances...

Still, it's simple, if the virus is under control and the economy is recovering by Halloween, we get Trump for yet another four years. If they aren't, it's "Adios, Senor Naranja!"

[Uncle Ted]

Another way to look at those polls is the fact that, rightly or wrongly, presidents tend to have the highest approval ratings in the midst of a war or major (I'm tempted to write existential but that's a bit much), as the country rallies around the president. Trump has had an opportunity to show real leadership with some "our finest hour" moments, but has whiffed badly. Not very impressed if 49% is the best he can do under such circumstances...

Still, it's simple, if the virus is under control and the economy is recovering by Halloween, we get Trump for yet another four years. If they aren't, it's "Adios, Senor Naranja!"

Hey, how about that?... Señor Naranja might be right that we'll may have a vaccine by christmas:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/moderna...ve-11589805115

Moderna Says Initial Covid-19 Vaccine Results Are Positive
Experimental coronavirus vaccine induced immune responses in healthy volunteers who were vaccinated in a clinical study, company

Drugmaker Moderna Inc. said Monday its experimental coronavirus vaccine induced immune responses in some of the healthy volunteers who were vaccinated in a clinical study, and the shots were generally safe and well-tolerated

The study results—the first for the first vaccine against the new coronavirus to enter human testing—provide a positive sign about its capabilities to protect people against the new coronavirus.


Yet the results are preliminary and only for a portion of the study participants. Many vaccines fail to pass muster, even after showing positive signs in early testing.


Moderna said the results reinforce the potential for the vaccine to prevent Covid-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus.
The data suggest the vaccine, code-named mRNA-1273, “has a high probability to provide protection from Covid-19 disease in
humans,” Moderna Chief Executive Stephane Bancel said on a conference call Monday.
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[PaloAltoCougar]

Hey, how about that?... Señor Naranja might be right that we'll may have a vaccine by christmas:

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That would be great. The problem is that throughout the crisis no one has been less objective or accurate than that numbskull.

[Northwestcoug]

Hey, how about that?... Señor Naranja might be right that we'll may have a vaccine by christmas:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/moderna...ve-11589805115

Haven't you learned anything from the hydroxychloroquine debacle?

I'll be the first one here to admit I'm wrong if we have an effective vaccine by the end of the year. But I'm pretty skeptical about it. There's still a long way to go.

[Brian]

Haven't you learned anything from the hydroxychloroquine debacle?

I'll be the first one here to admit I'm wrong if we have an effective vaccine by the end of the year. But I'm pretty skeptical about it. There's still a long way to go.

Let alone having several hundred million ready to go once a vaccine is developed.

[Eddie]

That would be great. The problem is that throughout the crisis no one has been less objective or accurate than that numbskull.

Oh...I don't know. Those early estimates of 2.2 million deaths in the US alone from the imperial college seem to be on a similar scale as far as accuracy.

Which, frankly, isn't exactly a strong defense of Trump's objectivity or accuracy about anything.

[Uncle Ted]

Haven't you learned anything from the hydroxychloroquine debacle?

I'll be the first one here to admit I'm wrong if we have an effective vaccine by the end of the year. But I'm pretty skeptical about it. There's still a long way to go.

Yeah, yeah, yeah... need more testing. Keep in mind that Christmas comes after election day. So just one of the vaccines needs to look promising until after November 3rd and we may get four more years of Señor Naranja. The market is up over 800 points just on the vaccine news today.

Come you Dems! Figure out a way to get a better candidate than Sleepy Joe that will come out of their basement. Y'all need someone that will kick butts and take names... someone like Drumpf. I guess y'all better #WriteInMitt or something.

[Northwestcoug]

On one hand, the VA is not exactly filled with Trump fans. On the other, he gets 'letters' touting HCQ success stories. So guess which side represents reality better in Trump's head:

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And Biden's mental status is more concerning?!?