President Trump: Making America Great Again...

[CardiacCoug]

Lol Nice deflection. New Zealand is almost exactly the average U.S. state's size and population. Divide the U.S. numbers by 50 and compare those to NZ if it helps you feel more comfortable admitting how shitty we are. Because we are off the charts shitty by any standard. I bet Haiti is kicking our asses re: covid. I won't bother to look, but something tells me they are. Hey compare the U.S. to the entire continent of Europe if you feel that's a more fair comparison and tell me how we measure up.

This is the crazy convergence of the left and the right.

A lot of Republican governors are telling the “liberal scientists” at heath departments that if they just were better at their jobs there “would be no COVID!”

This fact is that this virus was going to roll through all of Europe and the USA and the rest of the world and after about February first it wouldn’t have made any difference if Trump or Hillary were President or if all 50 states had Republican governors or Democratic governors. The die was cast.

[Eddie]

How anyone can justify voting for him, I just don't get it.

I can tell you how the people I know justify voting for him.

What they tell me is that they have a choice between two people with a realistic chance of becoming president. One is a bad person with no integrity who supports a platform of policies that go against everything they believe in. The second person is an absolutely horrible individual, but also happens to support a platform of policies that generally aligns with what they believe in - with some "minor differences", particularly compared to the first guy.

And they feel like they have to support the guy who at least proposes some semblance of what they believe is right.

Personally - I've said before that I didn't vote for Trump last time around. And I don't necessarily see myself voting for him now. But I can understand that thought processes above.

I have no idea what Trump did or didn't say with relation to the Atlantic article. But I do 100% believe that Trump doesn't understand why people would join the military, especially if they have other "job options." They are putting their lives at risk. His world view is all about "what's in it for me."

I also view Trump's comments about McCain slightly differently. I don't think they are right in any way - but I see them more as a reflection of Trump throwing schoolyard insults at McCain - someone he saw as a rival and opponent. I seriously doubt he thought very deeply about what he was saying about POW's as much as he was trying to minimize McCain and "burn" him. This world will be a better place when Trump isn't president, for a variety of reasons.

I just wish I could believe that Biden being president would help make the US a better place. This whole election cycle is so disheartening because no matter who wins, it feels like we all lose. At least for the next 4 years.

[BigPiney]

I can tell you how the people I know justify voting for him.

What they tell me is that they have a choice between two people with a realistic chance of becoming president. One is a bad person with no integrity who supports a platform of policies that go against everything they believe in. The second person is an absolutely horrible individual, but also happens to support a platform of policies that generally aligns with what they believe in - with some "minor differences", particularly compared to the first guy.

And they feel like they have to support the guy who at least proposes some semblance of what they believe is right.

Personally - I've said before that I didn't vote for Trump last time around. And I don't necessarily see myself voting for him now. But I can understand that thought processes above.

I have no idea what Trump did or didn't say with relation to the Atlantic article. But I do 100% believe that Trump doesn't understand why people would join the military, especially if they have other "job options." They are putting their lives at risk. His world view is all about "what's in it for me."

I also view Trump's comments about McCain slightly differently. I don't think they are right in any way - but I see them more as a reflection of Trump throwing schoolyard insults at McCain - someone he saw as a rival and opponent. I seriously doubt he thought very deeply about what he was saying about POW's as much as he was trying to minimize McCain and "burn" him. This world will be a better place when Trump isn't president, for a variety of reasons.

I just wish I could believe that Biden being president would help make the US a better place. This whole election cycle is so disheartening because no matter who wins, it feels like we all lose. At least for the next 4 years.

I can see what you are saying. I find it funny that a lot of these people that say the end justify the means and can vote for Trump to get the judges, are the same ones that have been teaching Sunday school lessons about making a cake that has just a little dog crap in it. Seems like hypocrisy to me.


Having just spent two weeks with a political scientist that focuses on international affairs, whom I respect and value his option, I am even more likely to vote for Biden. Four more years of trump and his nonsense may get rid of all the good and smart people in the state department.

[Now who’s the dean?]

I just wish I could believe that Biden being president would help make the US a better place. This whole election cycle is so disheartening because no matter who wins, it feels like we all lose. At least for the next 4 years.

Hard for me to understand how anyone could believe this. Actually I guess it isn’t considering they also believe in Q and lizard people.

[Eddie]

I can see what you are saying. I find it funny that a lot of these people that say the end justify the means and can vote for Trump to get the judges, are the same ones that have been teaching Sunday school lessons about making a cake that has just a little dog crap in it. Seems like hypocrisy to me.


Having just spent two weeks with a political scientist that focuses on international affairs, whom I respect and value his option, I am even more likely to vote for Biden. Four more years of trump and his nonsense may get rid of all the good and smart people in the state department.

Yeah - don't we typically get a letter from the First Presidency some time in October urging us to participate in our civic duty to vote, while saying something along the lines of doing our best to vote for "good" people and that there are elements consistent with the gospel present in the platforms of all political parties? I don't know how anyone votes for Trump with those guidelines. Of course, I don't know that Biden qualifies either. (Honestly - I think way too many politicians don't qualify.)

[Eddie]

Hard for me to understand how anyone could believe this. Actually I guess it isn’t considering they also believe in Q and lizard people.

It's hard for you to understand how someone would believe that many of the proposals coming from the the progressive left are a bad idea for the US?

You don't understand how someone would believe that expanding Obamacare won't make the US a better place? I mean, I'm sensitive to uninsured and underinsured people. But I also recognize that Obamacare made my health insurance both worse and more expensive at the same time and led to college students everywhere getting their summer work hours cut. I can see how people would see that as a bad idea.

You don't understand how someone believes cancelling student debt and making college free for everyone might not be a great thing?

You don't understand how someone could believe that the "green new deal" goes too far and is going to create some serious issues for the US if implemented?

I'm just grasping at a couple of items off the top of my head. I haven't even looked into everything Joe stands for or wants to implement - but I know where he stands on the above. If you can't see how people would think implementing portions of what the progressive left is pushing would be bad for American and not make our country a better place, then really there's not much to talk about.

I would say that you don't have to AGREE with everything people on the other side politically believe. But honestly - if we are EVER going to make progress on ANYTHING in this country, both sides are going to have to increase their efforts to understand where each other are coming from. Because until we're able to understand where the other side is coming from, we'll never be able to collaborate, cooperate, and work together to actually make the US a better place - even on the policy issues that both sides agree on.

[Walter Sobchak]

Hard for me to understand how anyone could believe this. Actually I guess it isn’t considering they also believe in Q and lizard people.

Oh boy. We got us a bizzarro Hallelujah here.

[Non Sequitur]

Oh boy. We got us a bizzarro Hallelujah here.

There's a part of me that wants to think you're just trolling and aren't really as shameless as you seem. But the other part of me thinks you are that shameless. That's the part that knows that if Trump personally told you he was about to rape your dog, you'd keep fluffing him and tell him your dog had it coming.

[Harry Tic]

It's hard for you to understand how someone would believe that many of the proposals coming from the the progressive left are a bad idea for the US?

You don't understand how someone would believe that expanding Obamacare won't make the US a better place? I mean, I'm sensitive to uninsured and underinsured people. But I also recognize that Obamacare made my health insurance both worse and more expensive at the same time and led to college students everywhere getting their summer work hours cut. I can see how people would see that as a bad idea.

You don't understand how someone believes cancelling student debt and making college free for everyone might not be a great thing?

You don't understand how someone could believe that the "green new deal" goes too far and is going to create some serious issues for the US if implemented?

I'm just grasping at a couple of items off the top of my head. I haven't even looked into everything Joe stands for or wants to implement - but I know where he stands on the above. If you can't see how people would think implementing portions of what the progressive left is pushing would be bad for American and not make our country a better place, then really there's not much to talk about.

I would say that you don't have to AGREE with everything people on the other side politically believe. But honestly - if we are EVER going to make progress on ANYTHING in this country, both sides are going to have to increase their efforts to understand where each other are coming from. Because until we're able to understand where the other side is coming from, we'll never be able to collaborate, cooperate, and work together to actually make the US a better place - even on the policy issues that both sides agree on.

I don't think that policy questions are driving either Trump supporters or Trump opponents to any significant degree. This may be the least consequential presidential election in memory in that sense (which isn't to say that there aren't huge differences in policy between the two).

[Walter Sobchak]

There's a part of me that wants to think you're just trolling and aren't really as shameless as you seem. But the other part of me thinks you are that shameless. That's the part that knows that if Trump personally told you he was about to rape your dog, you'd keep fluffing him and tell him your dog had it coming.

Dog rape. Awesome. Totally normal response.

[Non Sequitur]

Dog rape. Awesome. Totally normal response.

I have a vague recollection of normal. Your man laid waste to normal a few years ago. It's quaint of you to think it's still a standard.

[Now who’s the dean?]

President Trump: Making America Great Again...

Dog rape. Awesome. Totally normal response.

This isn’t a denial . . . . . . . .

[Now who’s the dean?]

President Trump: Making America Great Again...

It's hard for you to understand how someone would believe that many of the proposals coming from the the progressive left are a bad idea for the US?

You don't understand how someone would believe that expanding Obamacare won't make the US a better place? I mean, I'm sensitive to uninsured and underinsured people. But I also recognize that Obamacare made my health insurance both worse and more expensive at the same time and led to college students everywhere getting their summer work hours cut. I can see how people would see that as a bad idea.

You don't understand how someone believes cancelling student debt and making college free for everyone might not be a great thing?

You don't understand how someone could believe that the "green new deal" goes too far and is going to create some serious issues for the US if implemented?

I'm just grasping at a couple of items off the top of my head. I haven't even looked into everything Joe stands for or wants to implement - but I know where he stands on the above. If you can't see how people would think implementing portions of what the progressive left is pushing would be bad for American and not make our country a better place, then really there's not much to talk about.

I would say that you don't have to AGREE with everything people on the other side politically believe. But honestly - if we are EVER going to make progress on ANYTHING in this country, both sides are going to have to increase their efforts to understand where each other are coming from. Because until we're able to understand where the other side is coming from, we'll never be able to collaborate, cooperate, and work together to actually make the US a better place - even on the policy issues that both sides agree on.

I can see most of those things. What I can’t see is not being able to recognize how much worse Donald Trump makes EVERY SINGLE ONE of those things. That’s what I can’t see. You claim to be terrified of a future that a Donald Trump win all but guarantees. A pretty damn big part of understanding where the other side is coming from is agreeing on facts. That isn’t possible when one side makes them up out of whole cloth constantly. Sorry, I mean makes some alternative ones. And the idea of DT being some sort of conservative stalwart is just stupid. What exactly do you think would happen if Democrats took both chambers and decided to stroke his ego a little bit. They could have him outlawing all firearms and nationalizing healthcare in about a week if they gave him credit.

[Uncle Ted]

Trump has turned boomer brains into mush. Jesus.

LOL... And the basturd Drumpf is taking away their social security!

10 Witnesses Go On The Record Stating Atlantic Report On Trump Denigrating Troops Is A Lie

The timing of this is interesting. Some anonymous dumb*ss sat on this information for all this time just to dump it in time for the election?

[Eddie]

I can see most of those things. What I can’t see is not being able to recognize how much worse Donald Trump makes EVERY SINGLE ONE of those things. That’s what I can’t see. You claim to be terrified of a future that a Donald Trump win all but guarantees. A pretty damn big part of understanding where the other side is coming from is agreeing on facts. That isn’t possible when one side makes them up out of whole cloth constantly. Sorry, I mean makes some alternative ones. And the idea of DT being some sort of conservative stalwart is just stupid. What exactly do you think would happen if Democrats took both chambers and decided to stroke his ego a little bit. They could have him outlawing all firearms and nationalizing healthcare in about a week if they gave him credit.

Trump isn't a conservative stalwart. No one is saying he is. The "true" conservatives don't want him either because he's too liberal. The popular "RINO" designation. (What they don't understand is less than a quarter of people think like them - and if they kicked everyone out of the GOP that isn't conservative enough, they'd never win another election on any level.)

But if you can't see the difference between what the GOP/Trump proposes and what the Dem/Biden camp are proposing, you aren't looking closely enough.

I get what you're saying about stroking his ego - but that's a little too simplistic. Especially because he's been called bad names enough times by then - and he isn't the forgiving sort. I'm assuming you've noticed that.

I agree that there is a level of cognitive dissonance going on - but most people voting for Trump simply say that the most negative elements about him don't really impact them day to day. Particularly if they don't follow him or his twitter feed. Like I've said - that's not necessarily where I'm coming from. But I understand where my friends and family who feel that way are coming from.