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  • Originally posted by frank ryan View Post

    It's pretty relevant right now Jeff.
    Frank, we are trying to help you out here.

    Obsessing over a hand gesture and its significance is a losing argument. There is no value in it whether you are correct or not.

    There are so many other actions taken by Musk that you could argue over and be effective, but you are clinging to this and it is undermining your general argument.

    Here is a tip. Focus less on labels like nazi and fascist and focus more on actions that are directly harmful to the country and to the people.

    Sorry if this is coming off as condescending, but you don’t seem to get it.

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    • Originally posted by beefytee View Post

      Frank, we are trying to help you out here.

      Obsessing over a hand gesture and its significance is a losing argument. There is no value in it whether you are correct or not.

      There are so many other actions taken by Musk that you could argue over and be effective, but you are clinging to this and it is undermining your general argument.

      Here is a tip. Focus less on labels like nazi and fascist and focus more on actions that are directly harmful to the country and to the people.

      Sorry if this is coming off as condescending, but you don’t seem to get it.
      Don’t you think the underlying reasons and motivation behind what he’s doing are important? There are some pretty big clues out there. Being dismissive of them if what he is counting on.

      Of course, if the MAGA base buys into all the racist shit wholesale, rather than just being fooled that immigrants are bad, then maybe it won’t matter.

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      • Trump cuts off all aid to South Africa and gives Afrikaners expedited refugee status. But not for Venezuelans who are fleeing a leftist dictatorship. That is an interesting dynamic. We are closing our shores but not for Afrikaners.

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        • Originally posted by frank ryan View Post
          Trump cuts off all aid to South Africa and gives Afrikaners expedited refugee status. But not for Venezuelans who are fleeing a leftist dictatorship. That is an interesting dynamic. We are closing our shores but not for Afrikaners.
          Well, they are white, duh.

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          • Originally posted by frank ryan View Post
            Trump cuts off all aid to South Africa and gives Afrikaners expedited refugee status. But not for Venezuelans who are fleeing a leftist dictatorship. That is an interesting dynamic. We are closing our shores but not for Afrikaners.
            Good Trump!

            Also, Afrikaaners aren't the only white land-owners in South Africa. There are plenty farmers of British decent. Ramaphosa is trying to pull a Mugabe.

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            • Originally posted by Shaka View Post

              Good Trump!

              Also, Afrikaaners aren't the only white land-owners in South Africa. There are plenty farmers of British decent. Ramaphosa is trying to pull a Mugabe.
              Why is cutting off Venezuelans good?



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              • Originally posted by Maximus View Post

                Why is cutting off Venezuelans good?


                I'm referring specifically to South Africa.

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                • Originally posted by Maximus View Post

                  Why is cutting off Venezuelans good?


                  He also refused the flight and asylum for Afghanistani people who put their lives on the line for our soldiers.


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                  • Originally posted by Shaka View Post

                    I'm referring specifically to South Africa.
                    What active aid do you think was cut off?

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                    • Originally posted by Shaka View Post

                      I'm referring specifically to South Africa.
                      Why do you think Musk unilaterally deciding to completely dismantle usaid is a good thing ?

                      there are people depending on foreign aid . Do you think it is good for Ukraine, africa to be cut off ?

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                      • I;m not sure this needed, especially after rolling back protections for others.


                        https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...hristian-bias/
                        President Trump announced plans Thursday to establish a task force and a presidential commission to protect Christians from religious discrimination.

                        Trump addressed the National Prayer Breakfast in Washington, where he laid out multiple steps he planned to take to address what he described as attacks on religious liberty and on Christians in particular.

                        “While I’m in the White House, we will protect Christians in our schools, in our military, in our government, in our workplaces, hospitals and in our public squares,” he said. “And we will bring our country back together as one nation under God.”

                        Trump said he would establish a presidential commission on religious liberty that “will work tirelessly to uphold this most fundamental right.”

                        The president also said he would sign an executive order to make Attorney General Pam Bondi the head of a task force to “eradicate anti-Christian bias.” The task force will aim to stop “all forms of anti-Christian targeting and discrimination within the federal government,” Trump said.

                        He also said he would create a White House Faith Office, led by the Rev. Paula White, who has served as a religious adviser to Trump for several years.

                        Trump has for years accused his political opponents infringing on religious liberty and accused them of persecuting Christians.

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                        • Originally posted by frank ryan View Post
                          I;m not sure this needed, especially after rolling back protections for others.


                          https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...hristian-bias/
                          President Trump announced plans Thursday to establish a task force and a presidential commission to protect Christians from religious discrimination.


                          It's very needed. For example, the Quakers need protection from overly-aggressive government workers disrupting their services searching for immigrants.

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                          • Originally posted by Maximus View Post

                            Why do you think Musk unilaterally deciding to completely dismantle usaid is a good thing ?

                            there are people depending on foreign aid . Do you think it is good for Ukraine, africa to be cut off ?
                            No one is completely dismantling USAID. It's being put under the purvue of the Department of State. It's now Rubio's job to make sure the aid being sent is legitimate vs a lot of the nonsenes that we are now hearing about.

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                            • Originally posted by Shaka View Post

                              No one is completely dismantling USAID. It's being put under the purvue of the Department of State. It's now Rubio's job to make sure the aid being sent is legitimate vs a lot of the nonsenes that we are now hearing about.
                              Come on. They are reducing the number of employees from 10,000 down to 300. They will have to shut down almost everything they are doing.
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                              • Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post

                                Come on. They are reducing the number of employees from 10,000 down to 300. They will have to shut down almost everything they are doing.
                                I’m taking a wait-and-see approach. However, this is The first time in my lifetime that someone’s done something meaningful to try and address the deficit. They need to go through every single government Department, including the military, and Figure out how to get a handle on their spending.

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