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  • Originally posted by YOhio View Post

    Rest assured ICE isn’t deporting or withdrawing citizenship from Navajo nation.

    Thank you! I'm glad that isn't happening. But Trump's DOJ mucking around with Native Americans and birithright citizenship isn't misinfo

    I know his executive order is blocked but it is believable there could be a reintroduction of such an order to target just that population if they thought it would work.
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/excluding...164312466.html

    In the Trump administration’s arguments defending his order to suspend birthright citizenship, the Justice Department called into question the citizenship of Native Americans born in the United States under the 14th Amendment, citing 19th-century law that excluded Native Americans from birthright citizenship.

    In a case on Trump's birthright citizenship executive order coming out of Washington, Justice Department attorneys quote the 14th Amendment, which reads that “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside,” and hang their one of their arguments on the phrase “subject to the jurisdiction thereof.”

    “Under the plain terms of the Clause, birth in the United States does not by itself entitle a person to citizenship. The person must also be ‘subject to the jurisdiction’ of the United States,” the filing reads.


    The Justice Department attorneys return to the topic of whether or not Native Americans should be entitled to birthright citizenship later in their arguments, citing a Supreme Court case, Elk v. Wilkins, in which the court decided that “because members of Indian tribes owe ‘immediate allegiance’ to their tribes, they are not ‘subject to the jurisdiction’ of the United States and are not constitutionally entitled to Citizenship.”

    “The United States’ connection with the children of illegal aliens and temporary visitors is weaker than its connection with members of Indian tribes. If the latter link is insufficient for birthright citizenship, the former certainly is,” the Trump administration argued.



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    • Is Brandon Flowers still active?

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      • Originally posted by frank ryan View Post
        Is Brandon Flowers still active?
        Yes

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        • Originally posted by BigPiney View Post

          Yes
          I respect that.

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          • Originally posted by frank ryan View Post
            Is Brandon Flowers still active?
            Yeah, I saw a photo on X a few weeks ago of him singing in his ward choir for sacrament meeting.
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            • Trump axed 17 inspector generals overnight. That moves violates regulations and in normal times would be cause for alarm. This is the opposite of draining the swamp it's pushing back on checks and balances.




              https://apnews.com/article/trump-ins...1c2a3754359993

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              • Originally posted by frank ryan View Post
                Is Brandon Flowers still active?
                yup

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                • Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post

                  Yeah, I saw a photo on X a few weeks ago of him singing in his ward choir for sacrament meeting.
                  That is so cool. I've seen the church do a lot of good for people. It's encouraging to see very definite individuals be part of something so organized. I think it honestly makes me miss it a a little bit

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                  • Originally posted by frank ryan View Post

                    That is so cool. I've seen the church do a lot of good for people. It's encouraging to see very definite individuals be part of something so organized. I think it honestly makes me miss it a a little bit
                    There's plenty of room onboard, Brother ryan!

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                    • Originally posted by frank ryan View Post
                      Trump axed 17 inspector generals overnight. That moves violates regulations and in normal times would be cause for alarm. This is the opposite of draining the swamp it's pushing back on checks and balances.




                      https://apnews.com/article/trump-ins...1c2a3754359993
                      There can't be fraud if you remove the people whose job it is to detect and prosecute fraud!

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                      • Originally posted by frank ryan View Post

                        Thank you! I'm glad that isn't happening. But Trump's DOJ mucking around with Native Americans and birithright citizenship isn't misinfo

                        I know his executive order is blocked but it is believable there could be a reintroduction of such an order to target just that population if they thought it would work.
                        https://www.yahoo.com/news/excluding...164312466.html

                        In the Trump administration’s arguments defending his order to suspend birthright citizenship, the Justice Department called into question the citizenship of Native Americans born in the United States under the 14th Amendment, citing 19th-century law that excluded Native Americans from birthright citizenship.

                        In a case on Trump's birthright citizenship executive order coming out of Washington, Justice Department attorneys quote the 14th Amendment, which reads that “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside,” and hang their one of their arguments on the phrase “subject to the jurisdiction thereof.”

                        “Under the plain terms of the Clause, birth in the United States does not by itself entitle a person to citizenship. The person must also be ‘subject to the jurisdiction’ of the United States,” the filing reads.


                        The Justice Department attorneys return to the topic of whether or not Native Americans should be entitled to birthright citizenship later in their arguments, citing a Supreme Court case, Elk v. Wilkins, in which the court decided that “because members of Indian tribes owe ‘immediate allegiance’ to their tribes, they are not ‘subject to the jurisdiction’ of the United States and are not constitutionally entitled to Citizenship.”

                        “The United States’ connection with the children of illegal aliens and temporary visitors is weaker than its connection with members of Indian tribes. If the latter link is insufficient for birthright citizenship, the former certainly is,” the Trump administration argued.


                        Using legal precedent to demonstrate that birthright citizenship hasn’t always been a 14th amendment right is a far cry from seeking to remove citizenship from native Americans, which was given through legislative action after the case you mentioned.

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                        • Originally posted by frank ryan View Post
                          Trump axed 17 inspector generals overnight. That moves violates regulations and in normal times would be cause for alarm. This is the opposite of draining the swamp it's pushing back on checks and balances.




                          https://apnews.com/article/trump-ins...1c2a3754359993
                          This is outrageous. Completely unacceptable.

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                          • Originally posted by YOhio View Post

                            Rest assured ICE isn’t deporting or withdrawing citizenship from Navajo nation.

                            FrankYOhio
                            "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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                            • Trees for the forest or something

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                              • Originally posted by frank ryan View Post
                                Trump axed 17 inspector generals overnight. That moves violates regulations and in normal times would be cause for alarm. This is the opposite of draining the swamp it's pushing back on checks and balances.




                                https://apnews.com/article/trump-ins...1c2a3754359993
                                Not so fast my friend. . .





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