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  • #15196
    Originally posted by frank ryan View Post

    When individuals have had lifetimes of anti-social behaviors sometimes change is best supported by helping understand how being law-abiding and socially conforming with serve there interests more than what they have been doing. But if they've been immune from the consequences of their actions it's a lot harder to do.

    For his path to have been altered, I think his experiences with his parents would have had to have been different.
    This is spot-on. Not to get all Freud-y, but I think a lot of his problems stem from the fact that not only did he have a troubled relationship with his parents, he has always been surrounded by enablers and sycophants who are unable to curb his behavior or intervene in any way. Nobody has ever loved him enough to tell him no. And so every relationship--personal or political--is ultimately transactional for him. This is undoubtedly one of the reasons why he has a long history as a sexual predator.

    I'm usually not a fan of armchair psychologizing, but in his case it's unavoidable. His hangups are not only on display for all to see but they will certainly end up affecting countless people.
    Nothing lasts, but nothing is lost.
    --William Blake, via Shpongle

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    • #15197
      I have always thought he was just a narcissistic sociopath.
      "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
      "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
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      • #15198
        Originally posted by Harry Tic View Post

        This is spot-on. Not to get all Freud-y, but I think a lot of his problems stem from the fact that not only did he have a troubled relationship with his parents, he has always been surrounded by enablers and sycophants who are unable to curb his behavior or intervene in any way. Nobody has ever loved him enough to tell him no. And so every relationship--personal or political--is ultimately transactional for him. This is undoubtedly one of the reasons why he has a long history as a sexual predator.

        I'm usually not a fan of armchair psychologizing, but in his case it's unavoidable. His hangups are not only on display for all to see but they will certainly end up affecting countless people.
        Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
        I have always thought he was just a narcissistic sociopath.
        YO is going to be pissed.

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        • #15199
          Originally posted by frank ryan View Post
          When individuals have had lifetimes of anti-social behaviors sometimes change is best supported by helping understand how being law-abiding and socially conforming with serve there interests more than what they have been doing. But if they've been immune from the consequences of their actions it's a lot harder to do.

          For his path to have been altered, I think his experiences with his parents would have had to have been different.
          There may yet exist some Clackiverse in which Trump was a decent, honorable dude whose parents loved him.

          That's not this one, though.
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            • #15201
              Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
              I have always thought he was just a narcissistic sociopath.
              People with those attributes develop them because things they experience in their formative years.

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              • #15202
                Originally posted by frank ryan View Post

                People with those attributes develop them because things they experience in their formative years.
                1 out of every 27 people is a sociopath. Pretty good evidence that it is innate, and not environmental.
                "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
                "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
                "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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                • #15203
                  Only 9 active members online now, so none of us are sociopaths. Phew! But there's over 100 users online. We've got at least 3 sociopaths lurking here!
                  "...you pointy-headed autopsy nerd. Do you think it's possible for you to post without using words like "hilarious," "absurd," "canard," and "truther"? Your bare assertions do not make it so. Maybe your reasoning is too stunted and your vocabulary is too limited to go without these epithets."
                  "You are an intemperate, unscientific poster who makes light of very serious matters.”
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                  • #15204
                    Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post

                    1 out of every 27 people is a sociopath. Pretty good evidence that it is innate, and not environmental.
                    It's both. We don't have a designation for a sociopath diagnosis in the DSM, but those attributes fall under anti-social disorder. Genetics matter, but so do their experiences, the attachment styles they form.

                    A one in 27 ratio doesn't point to it being solely genetic.

                    EDIT: A lot of times the terms sociopathy and psychopathy get used interchangeably but in some contexts there's differences. Psychopathy is usually used to imply something more innate. Sociopathy alludes to a condition more informed by environment. I've heard explained like genetics load the gun and experiences and traumas fire it.

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                    • #15205
                      Originally posted by frank ryan View Post

                      It's both. We don't have a designation for a sociopath diagnosis in the DSM, but those attributes fall under anti-social disorder. Genetics matter, but so do their experiences, the attachment styles they form.

                      A one in 27 ratio doesn't point to it being solely genetic.

                      EDIT: A lot of times the terms sociopathy and psychopathy get used interchangeably but in some contexts there's differences. Psychopathy is usually used to imply something more innate. Sociopathy alludes to a condition more informed by environment. I've heard explained like genetics load the gun and experiences and traumas fire it.
                      You can have multiple siblings raised in exactly the same environment where one is a sociopath and the others are not. Happens all the time.

                      The clinical definition of a sociopath is someone incapable of feeling empathy or love or compassion. Sure seems genetic to me.
                      "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
                      "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
                      "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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                      • #15206
                        Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post

                        You can have multiple siblings raised in exactly the same environment where one is a sociopath and the others are not. Happens all the time.

                        A clinic definition of a sociopath is someone incapable of feeling empathy or love or compassion. Sure seems genetic to me.
                        Jeff, I'm not making remotely controversial statements here. It's pretty basic psychology. Psychopathy is often used interchangeably with sociopathy.

                        Not everyone in the same family has he exact same experiences, tendencies etc., so again, nothing simple about your conclusion.

                        Sociopathy isn't something you can diagnose in the US, neither is psychopathy.

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                        • #15207
                          Originally posted by Northwestcoug View Post
                          Only 9 active members online now, so none of us are sociopaths. Phew! But there's over 100 users online. We've got at least 3 sociopaths lurking here!
                          Dibs on one.
                          “Every player dreams of being a Yankee, and if they don’t it’s because they never got the chance.” Aroldis Chapman

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                          • #15208
                            Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                            The clinical definition of a sociopath is someone incapable of feeling empathy or love or compassion. Sure seems genetic to me.
                            Trump seems to love his kids and grandkids and they seem to love him back.

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                            • #15209
                              Originally posted by YOhio View Post

                              Trump seems to love his kids and grandkids and they seem to love him back.
                              "Seems to" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. Sociopaths learn early in life to try to mimic normal behavior.

                              Sociopaths see people as objects, including their spouses and kids. A means to an end. Remember when Trump talked about how hot his daughter was and if she weren't his daughter, he would go after her? She is an object to him.

                              Trump clearly sees other people as objects. The second you show an ounce of disloyalty or become un-useful to him, you are out. He is the center of his own universe. Sociopaths are also good at lying. All of that is classic sociopath behavior.

                              If you want to blow your mind, check out this book. Reading it was one of the most eye-opening experiences I have had. It was written by a researcher who spent her career studying and providing therapy to sociopaths.

                              PS: I was slightly off. It is 1 in 25.

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                              "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
                              "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
                              "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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                              • #15210
                                Originally posted by YOhio View Post

                                Trump seems to love his kids and grandkids and they seem to love him back.
                                I agree he really really loves Ivanka

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