Ukraine - somebody explain to me

[wuapinmon]

Big Bada Boom: https://t.me/operativnoZSU/51534
The editing on this one isn't necessarily fidedigno. I think it's honest, but I'm not sure. Either way, somebody has a very bad day. Casualties shown.

[wuapinmon]

Looks like Ukraine was able to ignite this oil deport in Donetsk Oblast: https://goo.gl/maps/V5pzgcv9UqD437PeA

Multiple videos of the depot on fire: https://t.me/znua_live/63025?single

[wuapinmon]

There's a video on all the 18+ Telegram channels of an alleged Kadyrovite Chechen having sex with what looks like a donkey. I won't share the link, but the Ukrainians are having a good ole time making jokes about Kadyrovite creation myths.

In case you don't know what Kadyrovites are: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kadyrovites

[wuapinmon]

These drone operators are getting good: https://t.me/supernova_plus/13649

Straight into the open hatch of an MBT.

[wuapinmon]

I understand the need for restraint in the interest of international diplomacy but... really what are we doing not equipping the Ukrainians to just eradicate every Russian that sets foot in their country?

Cat-and-mouse game with nuclear powers. Two nuclear powers haven't gone to a hot war before. We have to be sure that we want to risk annihilation in order to win.

[Bo Diddley]

Cat-and-mouse game with nuclear powers. Two nuclear powers haven't gone to a hot war before. We have to be sure that we want to risk annihilation in order to win.

This is all pretty new. We're fighting a proxy war with Russia. I've noted how we've ramped up our support to Ukraine over time. I wonder how far we'll end up pushing it.

[BigFatMeanie]

We fought a direct war with Soviets and China in Korea, no? Korean war started in 1953 and Soviets were nuclear in 1949. China was nuclear in 1964.

Vietnam war was also a combination direct/proxy war and all the major powers were nuclear for at least part of it, including the French.

We've also fought a crap-ton of proxy wars with Soviets (Russia) and China over the last 70+ years. Wikipedia lists dozens and dozens of them:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_proxy_wars

[wuapinmon]

This is all pretty new. We're fighting a proxy war with Russia. I've noted how we've ramped up our support to Ukraine over time. I wonder how far we'll end up pushing it.

I think the Ukrainians have shown tremendous restraint, not attacking across the border to hit supply lines. I know that that's probably on our advice, but other than shelling Belgorod, I've not seen any incursions into Mother Russia--I'm not talking about annexed Ukrainian lands. I hope we end up giving them what they need. It'd be interesting to send a cohort of Ukrainian troops to the US to train, extensively, on battle operations using M1A1, M113, and Bradleys, and then ship them enough vehicles, parts, ammo, and whatever else is needed, for those trained troops to make Russia see why the US doesn't have universal health care.

We fought a direct war with Soviets and China in Korea, no? Korean war started in 1953 and Soviets were nuclear in 1949. China was nuclear in 1964.

Vietnam war was also a combination direct/proxy war and all the major powers were nuclear for at least part of it, including the French.

We've also fought a crap-ton of proxy wars with Soviets (Russia) and China over the last 70+ years. Wikipedia lists dozens and dozens of them:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_proxy_wars

Those early wars still didn't carry the innate risk of nuclear annihilation for the US. Europe? Sure, but we were still out of range of their strategic bombers until the mid 1950s.

[Bo Diddley]

We fought a direct war with Soviets and China in Korea, no? Korean war started in 1953 and Soviets were nuclear in 1949. China was nuclear in 1964.

Vietnam war was also a combination direct/proxy war and all the major powers were nuclear for at least part of it, including the French.

We've also fought a crap-ton of proxy wars with Soviets (Russia) and China over the last 70+ years. Wikipedia lists dozens and dozens of them:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_proxy_wars

Right, i don't mean to gloss over other proxy wars. This one is different by scale. How many thousands of Russian soldiers do you suppose died because of our support?

[wuapinmon]

Right, i don't mean to gloss over other proxy wars. This one is different by scale. How many thousands of Russian soldiers do you suppose died because of our support?

If our = NATO then north of 50,000. If our = USA only, then north of 10,000. HIMARS was a game changer. If we get morbid, I'm talking awful-human-being morbid, and give points for kills based on ranks, 1 = private, 2= pfc, etc. Then HIMARS has to have the highest score of any weapons system, given the number of command centers hit and commanders killed. I never repost them, but Telegram is awash with photos of Russian officers who were KIA. They all have these flames across the bottom and make sarcastic, biting references to the "denazification" of the special military operation.

[wuapinmon]

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[Paperback Writer]

Right, i don't mean to gloss over other proxy wars. This one is different by scale. How many thousands of Russian soldiers do you suppose died because of our support?

If the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan is counted, then quite a few Russian soldiers died as a result of US support. Maybe, I'll read (or watch) Charlie Wilson's War again.

[Bo Diddley]

If the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan is counted, then quite a few Russian soldiers died as a result of US support. Maybe, I'll read (or watch) Charlie Wilson's War again.

That said, how do you feel the conflict in Afghanistan compares to today's conflict in Ukraine? Am I the only one who doesn't find an equivalency between this war and wars in the past? Am I the only one who thinks we're much closer to a nuclear show-down than from any of the other wars fought after WWII?

[Paperback Writer]

That said, how do you feel the conflict in Afghanistan compares to today's conflict in Ukraine? Am I the only one who doesn't find an equivalency between this war and wars in the past? Am I the only one who thinks we're much closer to a nuclear show-down than from any of the other wars fought after WWII?

There are some similarities and difference between Afghanistan and Ukraine. As you well know, the similarities are supplying the fighting forces of an occupied country with modern weapons while they do the actually fighting. The differences are that Soviet Union/Russia never really considered Afghanistan their own turf and did not threaten nuclear arms - Afghanistan is more like Vietnam in that regard. Your concern about a nuclear show-down has validity in that the Soviet Union's failure in Afghanistan helped bring down the iron curtain and a similar failure by Russia in Ukraine might bring down Putin. But Putin could still retain power if Russia evacuates Ukraine. If a nuclear exchange occurs - he would surely lose power. I don't think a nuclear show-down becomes a greater threat as long as the Ukraine conflict does not cross into Russian borders in a major way.

[Goatnapper'96]

I think the Ukrainians have shown tremendous restraint, not attacking across the border to hit supply lines. I know that that's probably on our advice, but other than shelling Belgorod, I've not seen any incursions into Mother Russia--I'm not talking about annexed Ukrainian lands. I hope we end up giving them what they need. It'd be interesting to send a cohort of Ukrainian troops to the US to train, extensively, on battle operations using M1A1, M113, and Bradleys, and then ship them enough vehicles, parts, ammo, and whatever else is needed, for those trained troops to make Russia see why the US doesn't have universal health care.

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