The 2016 Presidential Election Trainwreck

[byu71]

There really is actual racism on much of the far right. The Trump movement has given those folks the idea that it's safe for them to be "mainstream" again. Read the blogs of the so-called "alt right" which can't hide how happy they are with Trump. Nor do they hide their disdain for Jews, Mexicans, and now even Mormons, since as a group we aren't sufficiently anti-immigrant and too many of us (like Mitt Romney) don't like Trump.

Before I could even start to agree or disagree, I would have to define "actual racism", "much of the far right", "far right".

[Walter Sobchak]

I will resist responding anymore today

No you won't.

Take your meds??? Really, there has to be something newer and more hip to rip on old people. Old timer is pretty stupid too, but at least it doesn't infer a mental problem which is really not PC.

Swish!

[BlueK]

Before I could even start to agree or disagree, I would have to define "actual racism", "much of the far right", "far right".

Here you go, assuming your desire to define these terms above is sincere

According to the Southern Poverty Law Center, Breitbart News has become a popular outlet for alt-right views.[51]

On August 25, 2016, Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton gave a speech accusing Republican candidate Donald Trump of "helping a radical fringe take over the Republican Party."[52] She identified this radical fringe with the alt-right, and noted that Trump's campaign chief executive Stephen Bannon has described his Breitbart News Network as "the platform for the alt-right."[52] Some members of the group were delighted; they described Clinton's speech as "free publicity", noted that Google searches peaked afterward, and suggested that millions of people were hearing of the movement "for the very first time".[53]

On September 9, 2016, several leaders of the alt-right community held a press conference, described by one reporter as the "coming-out party" of the little-known movement, to explain their goals.[54] They proclaimed racialist beliefs, stating "Race is real, race matters, and race is the foundation of identity."[55] Speakers called for a "White Homeland" and expounded on racial differences in intelligence. They also confirmed their support of Trump, saying "This is what a leader looks like."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right

Maybe you think this aspect/faction of Trump's support is trivial. I think they're exactly who you are talking about when you talk about certain extremes taking over the Republican party. And yes, many of them are racist.

[byu71]

Swish!

Like I said, you weren't in our conversation. My response was to JL and nothing about responding to you or not.


SWISH!!!!

[byu71]

Here you go, assuming your post here is sincere

According to the Southern Poverty Law Center, Breitbart News has become a popular outlet for alt-right views.[51]

On August 25, 2016, Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton gave a speech accusing Republican candidate Donald Trump of "helping a radical fringe take over the Republican Party."[52] She identified this radical fringe with the alt-right, and noted that Trump's campaign chief executive Stephen Bannon has described his Breitbart News Network as "the platform for the alt-right."[52] Some members of the group were delighted; they described Clinton's speech as "free publicity", noted that Google searches peaked afterward, and suggested that millions of people were hearing of the movement "for the very first time".[53]

On September 9, 2016, several leaders of the alt-right community held a press conference, described by one reporter as the "coming-out party" of the little-known movement, to explain their goals.[54] They proclaimed racialist beliefs, stating "Race is real, race matters, and race is the foundation of identity."[55] Speakers called for a "White Homeland" and expounded on racial differences in intelligence. They also confirmed their support of Trump, saying "This is what a leader looks like."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right

The far wacko right is not the tea party, it is the far wacko right. We also have the far wacko left. Hillary supports black lives matter which have members chanting awful things about police. I wouldn't even paint Hillary with those wacko's, but that is just me.

I am not quite as emotional about this thing (who is rotten and who isn't) as some of you.

[Walter Sobchak]

Like I said, you weren't in our conversation. My response was to JL and nothing about responding to you or not.

SWISH!!!!

I thought I saw you dribbling, but when I looked closer it was water streaming down your chin as you gulped down your Donepezil.

[frank ryan]

Another bizarre outcome of this election cycle: I kind of like Glenn Beck.

(trigger warning: nazi reference)

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presid...thical-choice/

Glen Beck and his entertainment cronies like Hannity, Limbaugh, Laura whatever her name is are as responsible for Trump heading the republican party as anyone. They have blasted the republican party and the so called "establishment" almost as much as they have the democrats. McCain and Romney weren't conservative enough. They criticize Ryan constantly for not being tough enough. They gravitate to so called principled conservatives like Cruz and our very own "far, far right" Mike Lee.

I don't know how one group running around with all these prinicipled people can ever beat a group that are united on one thing, the ends justifies the means.

Hannity and Beck say they are not republicans, they are conservatives. I wish they would lead a movement to have a conservative party. Maybe then the republicans can build some kind of moderate party where I think most Americans actually are.

I have a feeling the Tea Party got hi-jacked. The media ascribed a lot of things, such as "racism" to the group. Somehow they were villified by the press and yet black lives matter gets cover for anything their members say.

Along comes Hannity, Rush and other knotheads who actually claim responsibility for the rise of the tea party. I really don't know what the tea party is anymore. Is it Rubio who I really like or Cruz who I don't care for.

I really don't know how long the republicans will wander in the wildnerness and perhaps let the far righties go and try to have a more moderate-conservative party. One that could attract the middle.

There certainly has been critical articles regarding Black Lives Matter. I remember that crazy professor at U of Missouri for one, intruding onto the stage at a Bernie Sanders rally is another. The prevalence of the Confederate flag at Tea Party Rallies is an example of what I'm talking about. I remember Obama was visiting a town in Oklahoma and he was met by several people waving the Stars and Bars. Those idiots who took over the Oregon Wildlife Refuge had racists in their ranks.

[Maximus]

Newt: Trump became a historic f

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016...ate-heres-why/

“Hillary Clinton herself is so corrupt that we really need to handle it as a criminal justice matter, not just a campaign matter,” he said. “I thought, in many ways, that was the most important conversation starter of the whole evening.”

[BlueK]

The far wacko right is not the tea party, it is the far wacko right. We also have the far wacko left. Hillary supports black lives matter which have members chanting awful things about police. I wouldn't even paint Hillary with those wacko's, but that is just me.

I am not quite as emotional about this thing (who is rotten and who isn't) as some of you.

I don't think what you consider "tea party" really exists anymore. Their ideals don't mesh with either Clinton or Trump. What fits them best right now is the Libertarians or Evan McMullin, depending on the emphasis they put on social issues.

[BlueK]

There certainly has been critical articles regarding Black Lives Matter. I remember that crazy professor at U of Missouri for one, intruding onto the stage at a Bernie Sanders rally is another. The prevalence of the Confederate flag at Tea Party Rallies is an example of what I'm talking about. I remember Obama was visiting a town in Oklahoma and he was met by several people waving the Stars and Bars. Those idiots who took over the Oregon Wildlife Refuge had racists in their ranks.

This is an uncomfortable topic for a lot of mainstream Republicans. Before Trump it was considered officially "uncool" in the GOP to be a racist. Trumpism and some of the people who really, really like him, like the ones I mentioned above who BYU71 calls the "far wacko right", are trying to change that.

[Northwestcoug]

Truly depressing. It would be interesting to have a non bias scholar study the dynamics of having two people run for the Presidency at the same time who are both in the toilet when it comes to character.

One thing I will say for the republicans, a lot of them are calling their guy a dirt bag. Not many dems are openly calling their gal a dirt bag.

My golf partner expressed it well. You got someone who says awful things and someone else who does rotten things. What a horrible choice and how did we get here..

I like you, '71, so here's a pro tip. Listen to the NBC audio again. It's not just Trump saying 'awful things'. It's Trump bragging about doing awful things. It is clear that it isn't 'locker room banter', as if normal people brag about assault in private encounters.

So if we're going to play the equivalency game, let's start there. Which of the 'awful things' is worse?

[Flystripper]

I thought I saw you dribbling, but when I looked closer it was water streaming down your chin as you gulped down your Donepezil.

This is seriously crossing the line. This comment does not seem called for or is necessary. I don't agree with BYU71 on his politics all that much but this response is just childish and mean. Is there some history between you two that I am not aware of? Why so personal?

[imanihonjin]

My nazi comparisons have been fully vindicated. You probably aren't paying attention, but top-level political experts from all corners are drawing the same comparisons. Yesterday, George Freaking Will called the Republican Convention a "mini-Nuremberg rally". Swish!

Come on man, you know you are using a logical fallacy to make your argument.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Come on man, you know you are using a logical fallacy to make your argument.

Sure, but I don't care. Even the most hyperbolic anti-Trump statements are pretty much redundant at this point. His campaign is the biggest dumpster fire in modern political history. They will be studying this one for a long time.

[Northwestcoug]

Meridian magazine call out the Deseret News for printing that Trump should step down. And we see that the 'Trump says bad things, but Hillary does bad things' spin is quickly gaining traction:

But why did the D-News single out one candidate over the other. If they’d suggested BOTH resign, great idea. Surely Trump’s constant gutter behavior is no worse than Hillary’s gutter behavior and “extreme carelessness” with government secrets.

Now I know that my family member (spoken of recently in this thread) is a Meridian Magazine reader. I just saw this posted today, in a response to someone laying the 'Des News is church owned' hammer on her unwavering support for Trump:

Deseret News is a liberal paper and do not represent the Brethren. They are another extension of the main stream media as is the Arizona Republic. Look up Agenda 21. We as a righteous people have been counseled to be knowledgeable of the issues at hand and then vote our conscience. After doing my homework and not relying on the opinion of others and weighing the consequences of the policies of each candidate, I will vote for Trump, who is a flawed candidate with the right vision for our country. We will have to agree to disagree.

Until now, I don't think I ever met anyone that thinks the Des News is too liberal. Later on, she goes into detail:

In my younger days I and my family were Democrats. My parents wouldn't even buy an Arizona Republic newspaper because of how they tilted everything toward Republican views as was the Deseret News. But as the years went by and the owner of the Az Republic sold it to a liberal, their reporting has become more and more liberal. The same has happened to the Deseret News. SLC has more liberals than conservatives now, so their reporting leans way left these days. I get most of my news now from the Internet.

I would bet money guessing which websites she gets her 'news' from.