The 2016 Presidential Election Trainwreck

[Jeff Lebowski]

The 2016 Presidential Election Trainwreck

According to my Aunt, you should immediately stop trusting Snopes. It's run by Canadian liberals who have been proven wrong. She recommended another website when someone was dumb enough to fact-check her with Snopes, but I forget which 'non-partisan' site she recommended.

Yeah, I hear that a lot on social media when people react poorly to having their favorite urban legends debunked. It is a dumb and lazy response. If you have a problem with a snopes article, provide the counter evidence. And 99% of the stuff on there is non-political anyway.

[Moliere]

Well, I didn't have any depositions today and someone needs to entertain!

I really want Utah to be purple on election night. But I'll admit that I'd prefer it be a non-Mormon to win those electoral votes because Evan winning looks very tribal to outsiders. I still think the good outweighs the bad though in him winning the state.


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[byu71]

Bernie's followers have a better grasp on policy than Trump's. The man is incapable of articulating a policy but people worship him. I'm Bernie's followers also have a better grasp on foreign policy than Gary Johnson himself.

I mean this sincerely and not angrily but I don't get you Topper and the rest of the folks in the "Hillary is as bad or worse" camp. And it has zero to do with me being a Democrat. I get why people are conservative.

I like you and we have always been reasonable about our differences. You can call me selfish and self interested and perhaps that is it. I have said this many, many times, I am a free market guy with reasonable regulations. HRC, in my opinion, will end up being as bad or if possible worse for the economy than even Obama.

One last thing, if they are as corrupt as I think they are, at least the GDP should look good tomorrow.

I know we should all hate rich people, but if they sit on their money, the economy suffers.

WE can all survive HRC as JL likes to quote me on, I don't think socialism is evil and those living under it survive. However, they don't survive as well as we in America have.

[smokymountainrain]

I really want Utah to be purple on election night. But I'll admit that I'd prefer it be a non-Mormon to win those electoral votes because Evan winning looks very tribal to outsiders. I still think the good outweighs the bad though in him winning the state.


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I mentioned that on CB and they told me I was wrong, so...

FTR, I'm a Mormon who voted for McMullin. <high fives self>

[SCcoug]

Very Mormon thing to worry about what "outsiders" think about us.

[Uncle Ted]

Anybody focused primarily upon wealth redistribution is a nut, so the nuts should have her. Bernie is also nutty as are his followers.

I would most likely vote for Bernie over Hillary... Of course, the Dems rigged the primary so he never really had a chance.

[BlueK]

Lou Dobbs and the Mormon Mafia:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b0990edc2f34fb

Dobbs is such a moron. He gives Hannity a run for the dumbest political commentator on TV. Nicer person than Hannity but stupid nonetheless.

Naturally they both love Trump since they are both way into idiotic protectionism and anti-immigrant policies.

[Uncle Ted]

As the wikileaks turns... a new batch of emails this morning.

John Podesta on Hillary's private email server:

Do we actually know who told Hillary she could use a private email? And has that person been drawn and quartered? Like whole thing is f[*]cking insane.

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/33895

I think Hillary said she could use a private email server.

This wikileaks crap is going to make a good book/movie someday...

WikiLeaks shows Clinton hid email scandal from her own staff
Hillary Clinton's closest aides hid the private email scandal from her campaign team in the months before the official launch of her presidential campaign, emails made public by WikiLeaks show.


Robby Mook, Clinton's campaign manager, John Podesta, Clinton's campaign chair, and Neera Tanden, co-chair of Clinton's transition team, each expressed shock at the revelations about her private server as they emerged in early March 2015.


Although Clinton's team had performed research on her in 2014 as staff prepared for her campaign, Clinton's inner circle apparently steered Mook and others away from the issue until it was too late.


When Podesta asked Mook if he had "any idea of the depth of this story," Mook answered simply, "Nope."

"We brought up the existence of emails in reserach [sic] this summer but were told that everything was taken care of," Mook added in his email reply.


Although how Mook approached the emails with researchers in 2014 is not entirely clear, the exchange provides more evidence that Clinton's team set up her server with the intent to conceal emails from the Freedom of Information Act given their expectation that she would run again for president.


In an email to Podesta in July 2015, Tanden hinted that the results of an upcoming CNN poll would likely show Sen. Bernie Sanders, Clinton's primary opponent, ahead among Democratic voters.


"Do we actually know who told Hillary she could use a private email? And has that person been drawn and quartered?" Tanden joked. "Like whole thing is f——-g insane."


Podesta said their party would have to be "suicidal" to consider nominating Sanders over Clinton.

A number of the emails obtained illegally form Podesta's inbox and published in 20 batches by WikiLeaks have exposed the Clinton campaign's struggle to confront the controversy over Clinton's private server.


A few days after stories about Clinton's personal email use broke for the first time, Philippe Reines, a longtime Clinton aide, admitted "there is just no good answer" to questions about her server.


Later, Tanden pressed Podesta on why Clinton's team did not disclose their private emails months earlier in order to avoid such a massive distraction around the time of her campaign kickoff.


"[I] guess I know the answer," Tanden said. "[T]hey wanted to get away with it."

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/wi...rticle/2605735



This email thing seem to set off a s**tstorm within the Clinton campaign. I can't wait for the next email drop. God bless those "Russian" hackers.

[Topper]

I would most likely vote for Bernie over Hillary... Of course, the Dems rigged the primary so he never really had a chance.

I would vote for Bernie over Hillary because he would be inept and not achieve his legislative objectives. I reject the legislative objectives of each candidate. Btw, early voting in Nevada is great. You may vote early in Nevada in English, Spanish or Tagalog. The last one surprised me. But now I do not have to rush to the polls on the 8th, or 9th for Democratic voters.

[YOhio]

I really want Utah to be purple on election night. But I'll admit that I'd prefer it be a non-Mormon to win those electoral votes because Evan winning looks very tribal to outsiders. I still think the good outweighs the bad though in him winning the state.


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Lol. Self-loathing wannabe ProgMo's really are the worst. If Donald Trump were around he'd just grab you.

[frank ryan]

I like you and we have always been reasonable about our differences. You can call me selfish and self interested and perhaps that is it. I have said this many, many times, I am a free market guy with reasonable regulations. HRC, in my opinion, will end up being as bad or if possible worse for the economy than even Obama.

One last thing, if they are as corrupt as I think they are, at least the GDP should look good tomorrow.

I know we should all hate rich people, but if they sit on their money, the economy suffers.

WE can all survive HRC as JL likes to quote me on, I don't think socialism is evil and those living under it survive. However, they don't survive as well as we in America have.

I like you too. I don't hate rich people. Sometimes I have biases against them, that I need to be aware of and check. There are lot of wonderful and compassionate wealthy people out there.

This wikileaks crap is going to make a good book/movie someday...


http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/wi...rticle/2605735



This email thing seem to set off a s**tstorm within the Clinton campaign. I can't wait for the next email drop. God bless those "Russian" hackers.

Ted, it is silly for you to put Russian in quotes. You sound like 4chan person when you do that.

[Uncle Ted]

Ted, it is silly for you to put Russian in quotes. You sound like 4chan person when you do that.

What? Did those "17 intelligence agencies" all release their evidence that pins it in without any doubt on the Ruskies? Link?

Here is what ASSange sez about the Ruskies...

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When Clinton becomes president Assange is as good as dead.

[New Mexican Disaster]

Lol. Self-loathing wannabe ProgMo's really are the worst. If Donald Trump were around he'd just grab you.

Internet tough guy mormons suck pretty bad. By that I mean you.

[YOhio]

Internet tough guy mormons suck pretty bad. By that I mean you.

Well that's rude!

[Topper]

Bernie's followers have a better grasp on policy than Trump's. The man is incapable of articulating a policy but people worship him. I'm Bernie's followers also have a better grasp on foreign policy than Gary Johnson himself.

I mean this sincerely and not angrily but I don't get you Topper and the rest of the folks in the "Hillary is as bad or worse" camp. And it has zero to do with me being a Democrat. I get why people are conservative.

I don't know how you can quantify the cluelessness between Bernie's followers and Trump's. Once your are in the negative zone, it doesn't matter.

I understand why voters such as yourself vote for the Hillaries and Bernies, you truly believe the policies will help people. In my opinion, you don't understand how ultimately those policies fail, and measures of austerity, fiscal conservativism work better for more people and creating more prosperity for all. Socialism compresses income quintiles, making the upper quintiles less meaningful and rewarding. The overall economic enthalpy is decreased through measures of wealth redistribution.

The reason I believe Hillary is worse than Trump:

She will be effective in enacting some of her harmful legislative agenda.
She will nominate jurists who will upset the balance.
She is anti-personal liberties, save one.
She is pro-tax hikes on income, estate and gift.
She is a war hawk, and her idea for no fly zones over Syria concerns me significantly.
She has failed significantly in foreign relations.
She will ride roughshod over the GOP if she wins the Senate.
She won't receive any scrutiny from the mainstream media and will get a pass on anything she does. (She got a pass on emailgate, Hillarycare in 93, her treatment of Bill's lovers, etc.).

She will be harmful and incrementally decrease the overall economic enthalpy.

Trump is bad and will fail for different reasons.

Trump will get nothing through the legislature. This is not inherently bad, because have plenty of legislation. The primary purpose of the Congress is to pass a Budget.
Trump will bumble through and simply fail at everything, but might

nominate better judges
won't with a GOP Congress run roughshod over it
won't increase taxes, adopt new programs, or grow government.

He would be an awful president but would receive scrutiny from his own party and from the Dems. So we would be able to stop him on whacky ideas.