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  • Originally posted by byu71 View Post
    You may be right and if studies show you are, I am wrong in thinking it is a cultural thing. I think the single parent thing has caught on in the caucasian culture, just not to the same extent. I would guess the hispanic culture has the least single parent families. All this is a guess.

    In carcination, how long how often is a big time question. Wade's cousin was shot by two men out on parole.

    When gang bangers are arrested and in the news, I am amazed at how long their rap sheets are.
    On the single parent issue:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michel..._b_469808.html

    Here’s a hint for all those still scratching their heads about those missing black fathers: Look in prison.

    The mass incarceration of people of color through the War on Drugs is a big part of the reason that a black child born today is less likely to be raised by both parents than a black child born during slavery. The absence of black fathers from families across America is not simply a function of laziness, immaturity, or too much time watching Sports Center. Hundreds of thousands of black men have disappeared into prisons and jails, locked away for drug crimes that are largely ignored when committed by whites.

    Most people seem to imagine that the drug war — which has swept millions of poor people of color behind bars — has been aimed at rooting out drug kingpins or violent drug offenders. Nothing could be further from the truth. This war has been focused overwhelmingly on low-level drug offenses, like marijuana possession — the very crimes that happen with equal frequency in middle class white communities.

    In 2005, for example, 4 out 5 drug arrests were for possession and only 1 out of 5 were for sales. Most people in state prison for drug offenses have no history of violence or significant selling activity. Nearly 80 percent of the increase in drug arrests in the 1990s — the period of the most dramatic expansion of the drug war — was for marijuana possession, a drug less harmful than alcohol or tobacco. In some states, though, African Americans have comprised 80 to 90 percent of all drug convictions.
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    • So in the interest of being "tough on crime" we have created a system that puts people in jail for extremely long periods of time for minor offenses. These offenses are committed at the same proportion in white communities but blacks are far more likely to get arrested and they get harsher sentences. So of course you have fatherless families and those kids end up growing up in poverty with no father and thus are much more likely to repeat the cycle. Then we sit back and wag our fingers at black men for being lazy and irresponsible. Shame on us.
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      • Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
        The Huffington Post is a joke, not a source. I am sure you can come up with a better one. I do believe incarcination accounts for a part of the single parent problem, but not all of it. I can be persuaded, but not with stuff from the Huffington Post.

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        • Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
          So in the interest of being "tough on crime" we have created a system that puts people in jail for extremely long periods of time for minor offenses. These offenses are committed at the same proportion in white communities but blacks are far more likely to get arrested and they get harsher sentences. So of course you have fatherless families and those kids end up growing up in poverty with no father and thus are much more likely to repeat the cycle. Then we sit back and wag our fingers at black men for being lazy and irresponsible. Shame on us.
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          • Originally posted by byu71 View Post
            The Huffington Post is a joke, not a source. I am sure you can come up with a better one. I do believe incarcination accounts for a part of the single parent problem, but not all of it. I can be persuaded, but not with stuff from the Huffington Post.
            Good grief, did you even read it?

            If you change your mind want to discuss actual facts, let me know.
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            • Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
              I don't disagree that they need to stop locking people up for possession only (with no intent to sale), but I believe the stat is 75% of black children are born into single parent homes. I don't believe the incarceration rate accounts for as big of a portion of that number as the author would like us to believe. We're talking about the space of time between conception and birth.

              I think articles like these can serve a limited purpose by showing that locking guys up for possession is a mistake, but it also seems to be trying to scapegoat the problem onto something that really isn't the root of it.
              Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”

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              • Originally posted by Color Me Badd Fan View Post
                I don't disagree that they need to stop locking people up for possession only (with no intent to sale), but I believe the stat is 75% of black children are born into single parent homes. I don't believe the incarceration rate accounts for as big of a portion of that number as the author would like us to believe. We're talking about the space of time between conception and birth.

                I think articles like these can serve a limited purpose by showing that locking guys up for possession is a mistake, but it also seems to be trying to scapegoat the problem onto something that really isn't the root of it.
                That was my initial assumption/thought as well. I have been convinced otherwise.
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                • Originally posted by Color Me Badd Fan View Post
                  I don't disagree that they need to stop locking people up for possession only (with no intent to sale), but I believe the stat is 75% of black children are born into single parent homes. I don't believe the incarceration rate accounts for as big of a portion of that number as the author would like us to believe. We're talking about the space of time between conception and birth.

                  I think articles like these can serve a limited purpose by showing that locking guys up for possession is a mistake, but it also seems to be trying to scapegoat the problem onto something that really isn't the root of it.
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                  • Originally posted by byu71 View Post
                    The Huffington Post is a joke, not a source. I am sure you can come up with a better one. I do believe incarcination accounts for a part of the single parent problem, but not all of it. I can be persuaded, but not with stuff from the Huffington Post.
                    Perhaps you can give JL a list of approved sources that he can scour, then he can return and report.
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                    • Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                      That was my initial assumption/thought as well. I have been convinced otherwise.
                      4.7% of the black male population is incarcerated. Even if you think they're the fathers of twice the number of births than the rest of the black male population due to the average age of an incarcerated male being is younger, they're only accounting for 10% of those pregnancies. But on top of that, how many of those men in prison fathered a child and went to prison between conception and jail time?

                      If someone really wants to look at something eye opening, look at the STD rate differences between the races. I assume that more sexual partners combined with more unprotected sex leads to the rather shocking std rate gap.
                      Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”

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                      • Originally posted by Color Me Badd Fan View Post
                        4.7% of the black male population is incarcerated. Even if you think they're the fathers of twice the number of births than the rest of the black male population due to the average age of an incarcerated male being is younger, they're only accounting for 10% of those pregnancies. But on top of that, how many of those men in prison fathered a child and went to prison between conception and jail time?

                        If someone really wants to look at something eye opening, look at the STD rate differences between the races. I assume that more sexual partners combined with more unprotected sex leads to the rather shocking std rate gap.
                        One in every three black men will serve prison time at some point in their lives. And it typically occurs in late teens and twenties when they are most likely to become fathers. And this is more pronounced in urban areas, which is also where the fatherless phenomenon is more pronounced.
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                        • Originally posted by Color Me Badd Fan View Post
                          In an interview over the weekend, Kaepernick was wearing a t-shirt with Fidel Castro on it. So he has a big problem with US oppression, but apparently doesn't mind Fidel Castro.
                          Call me crazy, I know calling a black guy smart and savvy in this country is a no no, but I thought the Castro shirt was PART of his commentary. I doubt he's a fan of Castro. Looked to me like he was saying that's the direction America was going, given that we was just talking about the direction America was going..

                          But nah...he's a moron and a bad quarterback. He probably just really likes Castro

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                          • Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                            One in every three black men will serve prison time at some point in their lives. And it typically occurs in late teens and twenties when they are most likely to become fathers. And this is more pronounced in urban areas, which is also where the fatherless phenomenon is more pronounced.
                            Well, they believe the actual stat is 1 in 4 now. And again, I'd be surprised if more than 10% of these babies' fathers were in jail at the time of their birth. I understand it's a huge problem as an ongoing concern throughout the early life of black children. Obviously a significant portion of their fathers will be in a jail at some point in time during their youth.

                            I think the higher incarceration rates for similar crimes is also due to the percentage of blacks residing in urban areas. If a guy is in possession of drugs in Cedar City, Utah, it may be viewed as an infrequent case and something that is otherwise not making Cedar City an unsafe place to live. In Detroit, that same guy is part of the cancer that plagues the entire city, so he needs to be taken out of the general population.
                            Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”

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                            • Originally posted by clackamascoug View Post
                              What is the answer?

                              Is that what the millennium is... a reboot to get rid of the virus so we can run free of bloatware and operate on a higher level?

                              What is the bloatware of our society?
                              - racial discrimination?
                              - uber vigilant police force?
                              - drugs?
                              - lazy people who neglect education?
                              - corrupt government?
                              - Those damn chinese?

                              Explain to me what you would do to end the war on drugs.
                              Decriminalize production, transportation, sale, possession, and use. Isn't that the logical first step? End jail time or DRASTICALLY reduce it? Isn't that what JL implied?

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                              • Originally posted by taekwondave View Post
                                Call me crazy, I know calling a black guy smart and savvy in this country is a no no, but I thought the Castro shirt was PART of his commentary. I doubt he's a fan of Castro. Looked to me like he was saying that's the direction America was going, given that we was just talking about the direction America was going..

                                But nah...he's a moron and a bad quarterback. He probably just really likes Castro
                                You're crazy. But that has nothing to do with this thread.

                                If Kapernick articulates a cogent basis for his refusal to stand it will be the first time.
                                PLesa excuse the tpyos.

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