The Police Brutality Thread

[creekster]

I thought it was probably just a convenient nexus, but based on all the racist memes and commentary I've seen in response, I'd say he nailed it. That said, I have no problem with him not saluting the flag during the nat'l anthem. Doesn't bother me a bit. It's America, protest is allowed, and it seems like a worthy cause toward which he's using his platform to instigate dialogue.

he nailed becasue you have seen racist memes? Sure, that makes a lot of sense.

At the risk of upsetting some sort of balance in the universe, I agree with Lebowski; Kap is a moron, and the war on drugs is not good.

[Commando]

he nailed becasue you have seen racist memes? Sure, that makes a lot of sense.

At the risk of upsetting some sort of balance in the universe, I agree with Lebowski; Kap is a moron, and the war on drugs is not good.

Yes that's exactly what I meant. Keep up the good work!

[creekster]

Yes that's exactly what I meant. Keep up the good work!

You said "based on all the racist memes and commentary I've seen in response, I'd say he nailed it."

If it's not what you meant, then you shouldn't have said it. Like I tell my kids, say what you mean, becasue that's all the listener knows.

[Commando]

You said "based on all the racist memes and commentary I've seen in response, I'd say he nailed it."

If it's not what you meant, then you shouldn't have said it. Like I tell my kids, say what you mean, becasue that's all the listener knows.

But... I didn't say 'he nailed it because I have seen racist memes.'

[myboynoah]

That dope is so stupid. Not only does he say dumb things, but he's painted himself into a corner.

He needs a life coach and fast.

[Non Sequitur]

Get back to me when he (or you for that matter) can articulate some rational relationship between the object of his protest (which is apparently something about minorities being killed unjustly, as though anyone would be in favor of that) and the subject of his protest, which is the American flag.

The relationship doesn't matter. We're talking about the issue right now...mission accomplished. John Carlos and Tommie Smith used their spotlight to shine attention on injustice, and in the long view it was productive. Chris Jackson tried it and it backfired. I don't know what will become of Kap's stand, but I respect the fact that he sacrificed what was left of his fame to make a statement about a cause that he was passionate about. I've got no problem with what he did and what he plans on doing in the future.

[Moliere]

Please, oh please tell me I'm the first to mention the Kaepernick story on CS. This seems like as good a thread as any to address it. Any takers on that?

You weren't the first


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[smokymountainrain]

The relationship doesn't matter. We're talking about the issue right now...mission accomplished. John Carlos and Tommie Smith used their spotlight to shine attention on injustice, and in the long view it was productive. Chris Jackson tried it and it backfired. I don't know what will become of Kap's stand, but I respect the fact that he sacrificed what was left of his fame to make a statement about a cause that he was passionate about. I've got no problem with what he did and what he plans on doing in the future.

Were we ever not talking about it? I'd say the black lives matter, police brutality, whatever you want to call it - has been the biggest news story or issue of 2016. IMO, that is what is being lost in this whole thing. Kapernick didn't bring anything to light. He didn't get people talking about anything they weren't already talking about.

Having said that, I agree 100% with the bolded.

[Jeff Lebowski]

The relationship doesn't matter. We're talking about the issue right now...mission accomplished. John Carlos and Tommie Smith used their spotlight to shine attention on injustice, and in the long view it was productive. Chris Jackson tried it and it backfired. I don't know what will become of Kap's stand, but I respect the fact that he sacrificed what was left of his fame to make a statement about a cause that he was passionate about. I've got no problem with what he did and what he plans on doing in the future.

Sorry, but that is terrible logic. What if he sacrificed his freedom by committing some kind of terrorist act? We would be talking about the issue once again, right?

Methods matter. And what he says and does matters. He's an idiot and he is not helping the cause.

[imanihonjin]

Sorry, but that is terrible logic. What if he sacrificed his freedom by committing some kind of terrorist act? We would be talking about the issue once again, right?

Methods matter. And what he says and does matters. He's an idiot and he is not helping the cause.

This is exactly right. He isn't furthering the conversation in terms of bringing it closer to a resolution. His stance hurts his own cause by using tactics that result in a backlash. Stupid, stupid move.

[byu71]

I don't know why his sitting is such a big event? In the big picture of things, he is not someone the majority of the country even know or look up to. To me it is a ho hum story, yet it is on every news cast.

What would really catch my attention is if he had not only expressed his grudges, but had laid out a suggestion as to how to solve the problem.

Police and minority interaction is a problem. I would like to hear solutions.

I think minority violence toward each other is a big problem in certain areas. I would like to hear solutions to that.

[Color Me Badd Fan]

In an interview over the weekend, Kaepernick was wearing a t-shirt with Fidel Castro on it. So he has a big problem with US oppression, but apparently doesn't mind Fidel Castro. That might be giving him too much credit, he's probably put in about as much time studying these matters as he's put into learning how to read defenses and move past his first progression.

It's hard to overstate how much most Niners fans hated this guy before this stunt and this has made things much worse.

[Jeff Lebowski]

In an interview over the weekend, Kaepernick was wearing a t-shirt with Fidel Castro on it. So he has a big problem with US oppression, but apparently doesn't mind Fidel Castro. That might be giving him too much credit, he's probably put in about as much time studying these matters as he's put into learning how to read defenses and move past his first progression.

It's hard to understate how much most Niners fans hated this guy before this stunt and this has made things much worse.

Yeah, that was awesome. I guess his Che Guevara shirt was in the wash.

Be sure to check out his twitter feed. Comedy gold.

[Goatnapper'96]

In an interview over the weekend, Kaepernick was wearing a t-shirt with Fidel Castro on it. So he has a big problem with US oppression, but apparently doesn't mind Fidel Castro. That might be giving him too much credit, he's probably put in about as much time studying these matters as he's put into learning how to read defenses and move past his first progression.

It's hard to understate how much most Niners fans hated this guy before this stunt and this has made things much worse.

I had suspicions that Colin Kaepernick was an asshole. There is some satisfaction when one's bias is so obviously confirmed. I am more bothered by those seeking to justify or even make his actions somehow noble. He has his right to be an asshole, as one who understands what the flag stands for I will fight for him to have his right, but the rest of us are not obligated to somehow defend him.

I also want to see the war on drugs ended. Not because I have any visions of grandeur of how it will suddenly reverse the course of cyclical poverty among minority communities but because I think fighting on the supply side of this war is dumb, always has been and always will be. If it is the great cure to cyclical poverty among minority communities that every other social engineering foray has failed to do - then God Bless us all, but I sure don't expect it.

[Jeff Lebowski]

I had suspicions that Colin Kaepernick was an asshole. There is some satisfaction when one's bias is so obviously confirmed. I am more bothered by those seeking to justify or even make his actions somehow noble. He has his right to be an asshole, as one who understands what the flag stands for I will fight for him to have his right, but the rest of us are not obligated to somehow defend him.

I also want to see the war on drugs ended. Not because I have any visions of grandeur of how it will suddenly reverse the course of cyclical poverty among minority communities but because I think fighting on the supply side of this war is dumb, always has been and always will be. If it is the great cure to cyclical poverty among minority communities that every other social engineering foray has failed to do - then God Bless us all, but I sure don't expect it.

It goes far beyond the supply and demand issue. When the crack epidemic hit, most countries chose to focus resources on drug rehab programs. We chose mass incarceration. Prior to that time, the max sentence for drug possession for ANY kind of drug was six months. Then we changed it and started sending kids away for five years for pot possession. You take a young kid in the prime of his life and have him do five years of hard time and you destroy him. No college opportunity and as a convicted felon he can't vote and will most likely not be able to find a job. Career criminal is the most likely outcome.

Furthermore, harsh sentencing completely changes the dynamics of the legal system. Prosecutors are armed with grossly extreme sentencing options so they rarely have to go to trial. You just dangle a plea deal and the poor kids have no option but to accept, whether they are guilty or not, because the stakes are so high. And most of these folks can't afford good legal counsel.

Finally, study after study has shown that black kids are convicted and given harsh sentences at a much higher ratio than whites, even when you scale for all factors. It is a horrible system.