The Police Brutality Thread

[Walter Sobchak]

this is not going to end well

Nope.

Occupy Wall Street Showed Us How Seattle’s ‘Autonomous Zone’ Will End

History has a tendency to repeat itself. This is especially true for the radical left not only because their playbook is about as thick as a communion wafer, but because it wallows constantly in nostalgia. ANTIFA, Black Lives Matter, and other assorted leftist groups see themselves in the tradition of the anti-fascist resistance in Spain of the ’40s and the barricade stormers of Paris 1968. But in looking at the nascent occupation of a few blocks in Seattle this week, another event springs to mind. Occupy Wall Street.

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If a long lasting stalemate is beginning, then the question becomes how does it end? Here Occupy is informative. Then mayor Michael Bloomberg and the NYPD gave OWS an alarmingly wide birth during their illegal occupation of Zuccotti Park. The original strategy was something along the lines of “let the kids tucker themselves out.” That didn’t happen, but something else did, something at the heart of the protests that gave birth to CHAZ.

Reports of crimes inside Occupy Wall Street began to emerge. The occupiers insisted that they were capable of policing themselves (sound familiar?) and refused to allow police to investigate. But then reports of sexual assault began. Not only that, a “women only” tent was constructed to “protect” women in the occupation. That was enough for the NYPD to act. Within days it was over.

[swampfrog]

Hard to know in such a collective who gets to make demands, but someone is.

https://medium.com/@seattleblmanon3/...e-ddaee51d3e47

And for those who claim "defund the police" just means reform and reallocation (not necessarily here, just spread all over media in general), here's the first demand:

The Seattle Police Department and attached court system are beyond reform. We do not request reform, we demand abolition. We demand that the Seattle Council and the Mayor defund and abolish the Seattle Police Department and the attached Criminal Justice Apparatus. This means 100% of funding, including existing pensions for Seattle Police. At an equal level of priority we also demand that the city disallow the operations of ICE in the city of Seattle.

[BigPiney]

Hard to know in such a collective who gets to make demands, but someone is.

https://medium.com/@seattleblmanon3/...e-ddaee51d3e47

And for those who claim "defund the police" just means reform and reallocation (not necessarily here, just spread all over media in general), here's the first demand:

Lol, they are dumb.

[old_gregg]

And for those who claim "defund the police" just means reform and reallocation (not necessarily here, just spread all over media in general), here's the first demand:

yes, this localized group of radicals represents all others who call for police reform

[old_gregg]

Ok so let's split hairs... Lawful Neutral vs Chaotic Neutral. Grimes vs. Negan.

it's not hair splitting. "some are armed"? dumb. dumb. dumb.

[Uncle Ted]

Setting up barricades to create a border? Build a wall dummies!

I guess they heard you:

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They should electrify that thing... that would be cool.

[swampfrog]

yes, this localized group of radicals represents all others who call for police reform

The phrase is obviously ambiguous, but some narrative in my feeds have been that, "literally, no one is asking for this", when clearly some are.

The question remains is why has an ambiguous phrase become the slogan of many? Was it intentional?

Let's dissect by contrast, how about "Defund Planned Parenthood", maybe let's use an actual congressional bill.

This Act may be cited as the "Defund Planned Parenthood Act of
2019''.

(a) In General.--For the one-year period beginning on the date of
the enactment of this Act, subject to subsection (b), no funds
authorized or appropriated by Federal law may be made available for any
purpose to Planned Parenthood Federation of America, Inc., or any
affiliate or clinic of Planned Parenthood Federation of America, Inc.,
unless such entities certify that Planned Parenthood Federation of
America affiliates and clinics will not perform, and will not provide
any funds to any other entity that performs, an abortion during such
period.

Exactly why should we be expected to interpret the word "defund" differently in these two cases?

[old_gregg]

The phrase is obviously ambiguous, but some narrative in my feeds have been that, "literally, no one is asking for this", when clearly some are.

The question remains is why has an ambiguous phrase become the slogan of many? Was it intentional?

Let's dissect by contrast, how about "Defund Planned Parenthood", maybe let's use an actual congressional bill.





Exactly why should we be expected to interpret the word "defund" differently in these two cases?

ok. you win the battle against that narrative in your feeds.

[falafel]

I guess they heard you:

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They should electrify that thing... that would be cool.

Sorry, get another source than Andy Ngo on these types of issues.

[Uncle Ted]

Sorry, get another source than Andy Ngo on these types of issues.

What... You have a problem with Asians?

[falafel]

What... You have a problem with Asians?

Yes, that's what I meant.

[Flystripper]

Lol, they are dumb.

So incredibly dumb. Like education worse than the third world dumb.

[BigPiney]

So incredibly dumb. Like education worse than the third world dumb.

thanks, that really made me laugh. I needed that, been a tough day thus far.

But it will get better, for I expect it to be a very funky friday.

[swampfrog]

Posted this over a year ago.

I wish I had the time and energy for a longer reply. I don't. Mostly we are going around in circles on these topics anyway. I don't disagree with the problem of right wing extremism. I don't think I even disagree with your representation of how significant a problem it is. Given that, I still think the danger brewing on the far left is worse. A mob hasn't been unleashed yet, but the signs are there. The far right violence is heinous, but so far has been limited to individuals and I have seen no evidence of their ability to congregate in nearly the numbers that the left has shown. If a leftist mob reaches fever pitch and the genocidal impulse is activated it won't be pretty.

I think we disagree on right extremism causes and to what extent it permeates the conservative base at large. I don't believe most Trump supporters are white supremacists, nor even white nationalists. To paint them thusly is too broad a brush. I think there is a difference between white nationalism and concern for American culture erosion, insofar as American culture consists of the principles of Western democracies. One of the fundamental traits of the typical westerner is trust--in a lot of things, including each other and the future. To the extent that populations increase via immigration and that sense of innate trust is not adopted by immigrants, the culture is weakened. Many immigrants come from societies where that trust is non-existent and has to be fostered. Internally, intersectionalists appear hell bent on eroding that trust.

I'm hoping I can get another blue ribbon.

[Walter Sobchak]

it's not hair splitting. "some are armed"? dumb. dumb. dumb.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.