The Police Brutality Thread

[BlueK]

So in this Chauvin trial we've now had the cop's supervisor, the chief of police for the department, and today the department's use of force instructor all testifying that his use of force on Floyd was not proper protocol. Then you have the reactions of all those people who witnessed it in person. The prosecutor is making a slam dunk case. This cruel cop needs to go to jail.

[Northwestcoug]

Given the recent claim that the cop who shot Duante Wright meant to fire her taser instead of her gun, here's an interesting thread. It has been documented (both the claim and more clearly proven examples):

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[Bo Diddley]

The incident in this article portrays a lot of the problems in law enforcement today. Badge heavy officers quick to escalate use of force, likely poorly trained and mentored, color well outside the lines of what we as a society are asking them to do.

I have good friends in the Army who have been in this guy's shoes before.

[BlueK]

The incident in this article portrays a lot of the problems in law enforcement today. Badge heavy officers quick to escalate use of force, likely poorly trained and mentored, color well outside the lines of what we as a society are asking them to do.

I have good friends in the Army who have been in this guy's shoes before.

Its hard not to conclude here that the primary driver of the cop's response was that the man in the vehicle is black.

[Uncle Ted]

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These businesses need to donate more to BLM... the founder needs more houses:

[Commando]

The incident in this article portrays a lot of the problems in law enforcement today. Badge heavy officers quick to escalate use of force, likely poorly trained and mentored, color well outside the lines of what we as a society are asking them to do.

I have good friends in the Army who have been in this guy's shoes before.

When was the tipping point when traffic stops became commando ops? Those cops who maced that serviceman need the actual shit kicked out of them. Fuckers.

[Eddie]

When was the tipping point when traffic stops became commando ops? Those cops who maced that serviceman need the actual shit kicked out of them. Fuckers.

The think that gets me in many of these situations is the lack of communication or any effort to de-escalate or resolve the situation.

I completely understand how the guy who got pulled over would want to drive to a better lit area. Too many people getting shot by cops who think they see a weapon. And I can completely understand why the cops would view it as a high-risk stop once he didn't pull over and they had to follow him down the road for a bit. All of that makes sense.

But at some point - when he asks what he's being pulled over for and they're pointing guns and screaming get out of the car, it feels like there was a missed opportunity. They had the conversation they should've had at the beginning at the end instead.

Tell the guy it makes cops nervous when people keep driving before pulling over as those situations are more likely to lead to a violent confrontation - and you'd like him to get out of the car so that you can see he isn't armed and doesn't have any weapons. Maybe he is a little more understanding and compliant at that point.

When he asks what he's being pulled over - tell him there's no license plate and often that is what they see with stolen cars or cars used in crimes. Then he can say "It's new. There's a temporary tag in the window" and the officers can take a closer look at the tinted window, realize this is all a big mistake, and everyone can go on their way.

I get that cops find themselves in dangerous situations that don't seem dangerous at the onset. And I get that as a result, they want/need to control a situation. There are certainly times when people need to simply comply to the officer's requests ASAP due to the danger in that situation. But I'm guessing it is much more likely that answering a couple of questions and engaging in some respectful communication will help de-escalate and get everyone safely on their way.

As frustrated as I am at how these officers treated this serviceman - I think I've even MORE angry at the report they wrote and how they massaged the facts of what happened to put themselves in the best light possible and justify their actions. Maybe some part of that is how they perceived what happened - but it looks like they're just trying to cover their butts to stay out of trouble. There's definitely a double standard when it comes to the general public versus cops and each trying to cover their backsides. Cops have absolutely zero tolerance for that with the general public, but no issue doing/supporting it to cover themselves.

[Commando]

The think that gets me in many of these situations is the lack of communication or any effort to de-escalate or resolve the situation.

I completely understand how the guy who got pulled over would want to drive to a better lit area. Too many people getting shot by cops who think they see a weapon. And I can completely understand why the cops would view it as a high-risk stop once he didn't pull over and they had to follow him down the road for a bit. All of that makes sense.

But at some point - when he asks what he's being pulled over for and they're pointing guns and screaming get out of the car, it feels like there was a missed opportunity. They had the conversation they should've had at the beginning at the end instead.

Tell the guy it makes cops nervous when people keep driving before pulling over as those situations are more likely to lead to a violent confrontation - and you'd like him to get out of the car so that you can see he isn't armed and doesn't have any weapons. Maybe he is a little more understanding and compliant at that point.

When he asks what he's being pulled over - tell him there's no license plate and often that is what they see with stolen cars or cars used in crimes. Then he can say "It's new. There's a temporary tag in the window" and the officers can take a closer look at the tinted window, realize this is all a big mistake, and everyone can go on their way.

I get that cops find themselves in dangerous situations that don't seem dangerous at the onset. And I get that as a result, they want/need to control a situation. There are certainly times when people need to simply comply to the officer's requests ASAP due to the danger in that situation. But I'm guessing it is much more likely that answering a couple of questions and engaging in some respectful communication will help de-escalate and get everyone safely on their way.

As frustrated as I am at how these officers treated this serviceman - I think I've even MORE angry at the report they wrote and how they massaged the facts of what happened to put themselves in the best light possible and justify their actions. Maybe some part of that is how they perceived what happened - but it looks like they're just trying to cover their butts to stay out of trouble. There's definitely a double standard when it comes to the general public versus cops and each trying to cover their backsides. Cops have absolutely zero tolerance for that with the general public, but no issue doing/supporting it to cover themselves.

There are always mitigating circumstances, but those cops had zero excuse-- which explains why they tried to lubricate the report. Dude put on his hazard lights and pulled into a well-lit gas station. If the police can't guess what he is doing they are morons. They could probably see the temporary paper in the back window after he did that, too.

I'm so glad he's suing. I hope he doesn't take a hush settlement, either, because a jury award is really going to sting on this one.

[Eddie]

There are always mitigating circumstances, but those cops had zero excuse-- which explains why they tried to lubricate the report. Dude put on his hazard lights and pulled into a well-lit gas station. If the police can't guess what he is doing they are morons. They could probably see the temporary paper in the back window after he did that, too.

I'm so glad he's suing. I hope he doesn't take a hush settlement, either, because a jury award is really going to sting on this one.

I'm sorry if it sounds like I'm excusing the cops - I'm not. I'm saying I can understand why they might approach this as a high-risk stop. But everything they did was wrong and, if anything, would escalate risk rather than mitigate or de-escalate it. I'm with you as far as this guy getting paid - he did everything right as far as I can tell.

It did crack me up at the end when the now-fired cop was telling him "my sergeant says if you want to just drop it all and let it go, we'll let you walk away and won't charge you. But if you decide you want to file a complaint, we'll have to arrest you." What a dick.

[BigPiney]

I'm sorry if it sounds like I'm excusing the cops - I'm not. I'm saying I can understand why they might approach this as a high-risk stop. But everything they did was wrong and, if anything, would escalate risk rather than mitigate or de-escalate it. I'm with you as far as this guy getting paid - he did everything right as far as I can tell.

It did crack me up at the end when the now-fired cop was telling him "my sergeant says if you want to just drop it all and let it go, we'll let you walk away and won't charge you. But if you decide you want to file a complaint, we'll have to arrest you." What a dick.

I hope he said, "well you are going to have to arrest my ass then".

[Commando]

I'm sorry if it sounds like I'm excusing the cops - I'm not. I'm saying I can understand why they might approach this as a high-risk stop. But everything they did was wrong and, if anything, would escalate risk rather than mitigate or de-escalate it. I'm with you as far as this guy getting paid - he did everything right as far as I can tell.

It did crack me up at the end when the now-fired cop was telling him "my sergeant says if you want to just drop it all and let it go, we'll let you walk away and won't charge you. But if you decide you want to file a complaint, we'll have to arrest you." What a dick.

"And walk away from this kind of a pay day? Are you crazy?"

[Eddie]

"And walk away from this kind of a pay day? Are you crazy?"

[Uncle Ted]

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Yeah, police are pigs! ...except for the capital police officer that killed that unarmed veteran woman. He is a hero.

[Northwestcoug]

Extremely graphic video of Adam Toledo's death:

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The cop seemed remorseful afterwards; I'll give him that. He'll have the death of an unarmed 13 year old on his hands for the rest of his life.

We save a lot of anger for the police department and prosecutors. The official word was that he did have a gun on him. And we wouldn't have known otherwise, until the body cam video came out. So yeah, another bald-faced lie. It shouldn't be surprising anymore what the state will do to protect itself.

[smokymountainrain]

Extremely graphic video of Adam Toledo's death:

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The cop seemed remorseful afterwards; I'll give him that. He'll have the death of an unarmed 13 year old on his hands for the rest of his life.

We save a lot of anger for the police department and prosecutors. The official word was that he did have a gun on him. And we wouldn't have known otherwise, until the body cam video came out. So yeah, another bald-faced lie. It shouldn't be surprising anymore what the state will do to protect itself.

good hell. that was heartbreaking. and yeah, extremely graphic is correct.

i hadn't heard of that case. so the cops were claiming he had a gun but body cam video showed otherwise? is that the story?