2024 Presidential Election Thread

[Moliere]

wait, you think the left is more radical? what actions have these crazies taken that is higher than jan 6?

do you think homophobia isnt a thing on the right?

Anti-semistism is a thing on the left. They also are the original election deniers when Clinton lost. Didn’t we go through years of people claiming Trump wasn’t elected because of Russia and other BS? I mean, that even came from the top of the Democratic Party. It’s not on the same level as Jan 6 but it’s in the same vein.

[YOhio]

My argument is how 'institutionalized' the crazy is on the left. I'm not aware of elected democrats publicly advocating for a similar level of crazy like I see on the right.

A few things off the top of my head.
-Shoplifting laws in California (reducing <$950 to misdemeanor)
-Placement of biological males in female prison
-Opposing Voter ID laws
-Opposing anti-camping laws
-Supporting hormone therapy/surgery for minors
-Opposing all full-term restrictions on abortion
-Reparation payments

On many of these issues the Democrats are further to the left of Europe, but pretty out of step with centrist Americans.

[Jeff Lebowski]

No, not genetically inferior and I do not think democrats are immune from falling prey to this stuff.

I've also repeatedly said similar things. I've voted for and donated to republicans.

In this current state of reality that right now we all to live in and for the last several years have, Bothsidesism has enabled the problems. This is where we are and looking for an equivalent

Democrats didn't attempt the coup and won't be the ones to pardon the seditionists. Hillary and Biden didn't encourage rally goers to beat up protestors or sarcastically lament that cops couldn't a little rougher with them.

Biden didn't taunt, bully and socially sic his worshippers against judges and lawyers working against him.

Charlottesville, J6 - the right is calling for calmer rhetorically, unironically not mentioning themselves.

Trump came in lying and blaming the media from day 1 - literally about the size of his inauguration crowd.

We aren't in this mess because people took criticism of Trump seriously.

That's quite a word salad. I am not sure you answered my question.

[Northwestcoug]

A few things off the top of my head.
-Shoplifting laws in California (reducing <$950 to misdemeanor)
-Placement of biological males in female prison
-Opposing Voter ID laws
-Opposing anti-camping laws
-Supporting hormone therapy/surgery for minors
-Opposing all full-term restrictions on abortion
-Reparation payments

On many of these issues the Democrats are further to the left of Europe, but pretty out of step with centrist Americans.

I'll give you the abortion one that nationally, yes, the democrats are to the left of most of the US. Probably the voter ID one also. But are any of those others really pushed to an extent that they have the support of a national democrat platform?

One example is how supposedly mainstream elected GOPs will not publicly denounce Trump's rhetoric on January 6th, etc. Is there a democrat senator that is advocating for those other issues on your list?

[frank ryan]

That's quite a word salad. I am not sure you answered my question.

I have to reread things I write a lot. Leaving out words has always been a thing but it has gotten worse post injury.

i don't think democrats are morally superior or better than republicans or inherently better people. I've never felt that way.



i was trying to share how recent events weren't equal in frequency and significance and that is what i see as the difference right now and why it is unhelpful to look for an equilibrium in madness.

[Northwestcoug]

Little Marco won't be the VP pick, sez Politico.

It's too bad all of his boot-licking has got him nothing in terms of MAGA support.

[YOhio]

wait, you think the left is more radical? what actions have these crazies taken that is higher than jan 6?

do you think homophobia isnt a thing on the right?

As a whole I think they're equally radical, in some cases less so and in others more so.

Jan 6 is a good example. It was an abhorrent act and an embarrassment to our country. But you're fooling yourself if you think the left is incapable of something similar. The same left that, just this past May, took over college campuses, threatened Jews, shouted anti-semitic epithets, made insane demands on administration, and restricted freedom of movement for students. And we recently learned from the Biden administration that much of these protests were funded by Iran proxies. The same left that regularly accuses the right of acting on behalf of Russia. Of course there are the George Floyd riots and burning police cars and countless other examples of lawlessness and violence as means to a political end.

Yes homophobia is a common thing on the right and the left is justified in calling it out when appropriate. What I'm talking about is the stifling of debate or policy by way of bad faith accusations of phobia or racism.

[frank ryan]

A few things off the top of my head.
-Shoplifting laws in California (reducing <$950 to misdemeanor)
-Placement of biological males in female prison
-Opposing Voter ID laws
-Opposing anti-camping laws
-Supporting hormone therapy/surgery for minors
-Opposing all full-term restrictions on abortion
-Reparation payments

On many of these issues the Democrats are further to the left of Europe, but pretty out of step with centrist Americans.

Not that you're asking but because I think people assume I'm super left. I'll share my thoughts, and what I think other liberal people I knows thoughts are about these issues.

I don't know about the shoplifting laws in particular and I'd like to know a bit more. On my end of things, I've seen them both be problematic with how aggressively they've been enforced but also noticed that people usually have to catch a few charges before they do time.

I'm inclined to be against but could see some narrow exceptions. There could an individual who may be intersex and have male genitalia but also hormonally be quite female. That would be few and far between. But as a rule I'd agree with you.

The no camping I'm completely torn on. This unmanaged problem absolutely paralyzes communities. But getting these guys into the criminal system for petty crimes absolutely complicates the problems and is part of the reason they are there. So I'm I guess I'm favor of cities being able to do that with hopes that humanity will still be involved. It's really really easy to mistreat this population.

I don't know anyone anymore who is on board with gender reassignment surgery for minors. Ten years ago, I think people would have open to it but there is a shift. I don't think children should be able to make such a decision until they're an adult.

Reparations payments would be absurd and damaging to everyone. Historical trauma is real but so is post traumatic historical growth. Celebrate black history month and stories of greatness. Honor what ancestors struggled through but don't stay stuck in victimization

Full-term abortions- no thanks.

[BlueK]

As a whole I think they're equally radical, in some cases less so and in others more so.

Jan 6 is a good example. It was an abhorrent act and an embarrassment to our country. But you're fooling yourself if you think the left is incapable of something similar. The same left that, just this past May, took over college campuses, threatened Jews, shouted anti-semitic epithets, made insane demands on administration, and restricted freedom of movement for students. And we recently learned from the Biden administration that much of these protests were funded by Iran proxies. The same left that regularly accuses the right of acting on behalf of Russia. Of course there are the George Floyd riots and burning police cars and countless other examples of lawlessness and violence as means to a political end.

Yes homophobia is a common thing on the right and the left is justified in calling it out when appropriate. What I'm talking about is the stifling of debate or policy by way of bad faith accusations of phobia or racism.

Good point on the campus protests. The difference for me is that those weren't sanctioned by the president or done with the intent of overthrowing an election. Biden saw them as a bad thing rather than sitting in front of the TV enjoying what he saw.

[The_Tick]

wait, you think the left is more radical? what actions have these crazies taken that is higher than jan 6?

do you think homophobia isnt a thing on the right?

I believe the left is equally as radical, and obviously this is my own personal opinion.

I believe that their inability to define what a woman is, their unwillingness to define birth gender, their inability or lack of protection for women in sports are radical. The DEI metrics/mandates hurt more than help. I'd like to see a border that is protected. I'd like to see legal immigration made easier. I'd like US born citizens to get more support from the government than non-citizens receive. I also like protecting unborn children.

If this makes me a member of the radical right, then I guess sign me up.

[Uncle Ted]

Little Marco won't be the VP pick, sez Politico.

It's too bad all of his boot-licking has got him nothing in terms of MAGA support.

Burgum is out too, from latest reports.

The olds makers are still saying JD Vance. But I would be surprised if Trump picks a former "Never Trump'er"... Trump, unlike Grandpa Joe, has a good memory.

[Uncle Ted]

Trump now has the black vote...

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[YOhio]

I'll give you the abortion one that nationally, yes, the democrats are to the left of most of the US. Probably the voter ID one also. But are any of those others really pushed to an extent that they have the support of a national democrat platform?

One example is how supposedly mainstream elected GOPs will not publicly denounce Trump's rhetoric on January 6th, etc. Is there a democrat senator that is advocating for those other issues on your list?

I mean theres the squad, which is always cooking up some kind of insanity. I could look up other examples but I don’t think we’re that far apart. I can live with you thinking the right is slightly more crazy than the left.

[Northwestcoug]

Burgum is out too, from latest reports.

The olds makers are still saying JD Vance. But I would be surprised if Trump picks a former "Never Trump'er"... Trump, unlike Grandpa Joe, has a good memory.

Spoiler alert. They all used to be never Trumpers.

[BlueK]

I believe the left is equally as radical, and obviously this is my own personal opinion.

I believe that their inability to define what a woman is, their unwillingness to define birth gender, their inability or lack of protection for women in sports are radical. The DEI metrics/mandates hurt more than help. I'd like to see a border that is protected. I'd like to see legal immigration made easier. I'd like US born citizens to get more support from the government than non-citizens receive. I also like protecting unborn children.

If this makes me a member of the radical right, then I guess sign me up.

Right now your support for the idea of legal immigration being made easier would be considered a radical Leftist idea by the mainstream right. They would immediately shut that discussion down with the Open Borders!! epithet.