2024 Presidential Election Thread

[Jeff Lebowski]

You guys keep dismissing the fact that the GOP is the disaster, he’s just the inevitability of a flawed ideology.

If conservatism, as y’all have been lecturing me about for the last 20 years, was worth it’s salt y’all wouldn’t have allowed him and folks like him to infiltrate and dominate every aspect of the party from the grassroots to POTUS.

Again it’s why folks like Jeff Flake were/are so important. But you guys just keep saying Trump bad and keep suffering from your TDS and forgive the apparatus that has placated his every excess for the last 7 years.

One of these days you are going to make a political post where you don't go into your typical scold mode. It will be quite a moment.

[fusnik]

One of these days you are going to make a political post where you don't go into your typical scold mode. It will be quite a moment.

You guys need to stop being scoldable.

You guys need to vote for democrats until MAGA is dead, it’s the only rational way forward.

Things aren’t changing in the party, time to move on and let the party die and hopefully resurrect it with sane folks in 4-6 years.

[Uncle Ted]

You guys need to vote for democrats until MAGA Libertarians until both the jackass/fatass parties is are dead, it’s the only rational way forward.

FIFY.

[USUC]

You guys need to stop being scoldable.

You guys need to vote for democrats until MAGA is dead, it’s the only rational way forward.

Things aren’t changing in the party, time to move on and let the party die and hopefully resurrect it with sane folks in 4-6 years.

I'm about to make the most hated position on this board when it comes to voting, you all have been warned.

I am a fiscal conservative and a small government classical liberal, in what world would I reward the bad policies of the democratic party to punish the bad policies of the MAGA GOP? Instead, I will either not vote or vote for a 3rd party that more aligns with my policy preferences (not the Mises controlled LNP). I will signal in my (admittedly insignificant) way where my preferences are and if someone wants my vote they should adopt those policies. The democratic party are not the good guys either.

[Uncle Ted]

I'm about to make the most hated position on this board when it comes to voting, you all have been warned.

I am a fiscal conservative and a small government classical liberal, in what world would I reward the bad policies of the democratic party to punish the bad policies of the MAGA GOP? Instead, I will either not vote or vote for a 3rd party that more aligns with my policy preferences (not the Mises controlled LNP). I will signal in my (admittedly insignificant) way where my preferences are and if someone wants my vote they should adopt those policies. The democratic party are not the good guys either.

Rather than not voting I have voted largely for the LNP's candidates but I have voted for independents and even green party candidates. I figure that I need to vote to send a signal.

[frank ryan]

I'm about to make the most hated position on this board when it comes to voting, you all have been warned.

I am a fiscal conservative and a small government classical liberal, in what world would I reward the bad policies of the democratic party to punish the bad policies of the MAGA GOP? Instead, I will either not vote or vote for a 3rd party that more aligns with my policy preferences (not the Mises controlled LNP). I will signal in my (admittedly insignificant) way where my preferences are and if someone wants my vote they should adopt those policies. The democratic party are not the good guys either.

I'm liberal, but less so in some than I used to be. However, for me, it is not about the greatness of democratic ideas or plans but the dangerousness of MAGAism. That movement and its leaders are an existential threat to the republic. Jan 6 should have drilled that point home for a lot of people. That is not an irrational or hyperbolic statement, unfortunately. I respect your ideological position but I don't think the GOP is what is used to be. They have become the Party of Russia and Assad and Putin. They flirt with antisemitism.

[Jeff Lebowski]

I'm about to make the most hated position on this board when it comes to voting, you all have been warned.

I am a fiscal conservative and a small government classical liberal, in what world would I reward the bad policies of the democratic party to punish the bad policies of the MAGA GOP? Instead, I will either not vote or vote for a 3rd party that more aligns with my policy preferences (not the Mises controlled LNP). I will signal in my (admittedly insignificant) way where my preferences are and if someone wants my vote they should adopt those policies. The democratic party are not the good guys either.

Brace yourself for another scolding.

[falafel]

Brace yourself for another scolding.

If he'd only stop being so scoldable, fus wouldn't have to keep scolding him.

[Uncle Ted]

The anti-vaxxer Robert F. Kennedy Jr is running for President... as a democrat, of course.

If he becomes president I wonder if he will fire Fauci.

[old_gregg]

I'm really disheartened by the GOP polling I'm seeing. A couple of GOP polling experts I follow seem to be especially down today after an election in Wisconsin yesterday too. Trump has broken the GOP but he's also allowed the Dems to continue bad policy without electoral consequences. Only death will end Trump's hold on the party but who knows how long before the populism fades.

but who could have seen the corruption of the gop coming

[Moliere]

Where was Elon born?

South Africa, I think

[Commando]

You were born on third base. In fact, as a white American male you were basically born five feet from home plate.

Well I'm sorry I don't have a better metaphor for Elon. 'Born on Third Base' will have to suffice for purposes of this thread.

[USUC]

Well I'm sorry I don't have a better metaphor for Elon. 'Born on Third Base' will have to suffice for purposes of this thread.

Get away from baseball. You see, you were born at the 10 yard line (20 yard line for me as I'm only at the 15 now) and Elon was born at the two. Football yardage is the perfect medium for metaphors. One hundred is such a relatable number...

[Moliere]

Well I'm sorry I don't have a better metaphor for Elon. 'Born on Third Base' will have to suffice for purposes of this thread.

I was just acknowledging your privilege

[PaloAltoCougar]

Fifty-five years ago, LBJ announced he wasn't running for reelection two weeks after RFK announced he was running. I'm hoping history repeats itself with Biden announcing he won't be running a few weeks after RFK Jr.'s announcement yesterday. I think Junior's chances are far worse than were those of his father and that his announcement won't move the needle for Biden, But I remain hopeful that Biden will withdraw, realizing he'll be incapable of providing strong leadership by 2029, if not a lot sooner. He could go out now a winner and with a lot of love and respect from most of the country. His announcement could also be phrased in a way to seriously hurt Trump's chances (e.g., a Kennedy-esque "the torch must be passed to a new generation"). Primaries involving a variety of candidates from both parties would be a very good thing for the country.