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  • Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post

    Well, it is a pretty simple principle. Do you think there are any circumstances whatsoever where an unborn child's interests and welfare should be protected by the government? Are those interests 100% superseded by the mother's personal choice?
    Maybe, but that’s the point. There are so many factors to consider in any pregnancy. Circumstances of every pregnancy are so varied that having the government making a blanket ruling on it is an actual violation of rights of self determination and removes the agency of the woman and the doctor— the very people that would be in the best position to identify such circumstances.

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    • Originally posted by Moliere View Post

      First off, I don’t believe her when she says that. Second, she’s said many times that the government should not get between a woman and her doctor.

      And what does fully healthy mean? Late term abortions happen a lot when abnormalities are found. Is autism an abnormality? What about Down syndrome, is a child that potentially has Down syndrome less of worth than a “normal” child? What about my niece that was born with cerebral palsy? Is her potential life worth less than a “normal” child?
      This is such bull shit. Late term abortions don’t happen a lot, any abortion post 21 weeks equals to 1% of all abortions.


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      • Originally posted by Pelado View Post

        Depends. What did he do?


        Is there a different standard for daughters?
        Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.

        "The only one of us who is so significant that Jeff owes us something simply because he decided to grace us with his presence is falafel." -- All-American

        GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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        • Originally posted by Northwestcoug View Post

          Though that is true, there is some nuance to that. From the article:
          Yeesh. The word "nuance" is doing some heavy lifting there. Not a single one of those cases listed seem like a viable or defensible reason to kill a perfectly healthy late-term baby.

          Originally posted by Northwestcoug View Post
          If we're going to use the term 'healthy babies' in the abortion debate, then I would guess the majority of all abortions performed are done on 'healthy babies', since >90% of them are done in the first trimester. And most of those do not have significant pathology.
          This is correct. A year or so ago I saw abortion data for the state of Utah prior to the Dobbs decision. Out of the thousands of abortions performed in Utah every year, only a few dozen involved rape, incest, or health of the child/mother. The overwhelming majority were for convenience.
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          • Originally posted by Northwestcoug View Post
            Just a reminder this dimwit make nearly half a million a month for spouting Russian propaganda.

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            • Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!

              For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.

              Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."

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              • This is just silly. It's Trump or die.

                Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!

                For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.

                Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."

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                • Originally posted by fusnik View Post

                  This is such bull shit. Late term abortions don’t happen a lot, any abortion post 21 weeks equals to 1% of all abortions.

                  They are 1% of all abortions. So with anywhere from 600k to 900k abortions per year, that’s 6k to 9k that are late term. I guess those fetuses don’t matter since they are in the 1%
                  "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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                  • So many repubs today have noted that Trump was fully unprepared for the debate and saying that the prep team needs to be fired. It's as if they have no idea who Trump is.
                    Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!

                    For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.

                    Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."

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                    • So, Kamala may have broken what's left of Trump's brain.

                      Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!

                      For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.

                      Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."

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                      • Originally posted by myboynoah View Post
                        That's funny. But also, they seemed to have that camera ready to gauge reactions at just the right time...
                        Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.

                        "The only one of us who is so significant that Jeff owes us something simply because he decided to grace us with his presence is falafel." -- All-American

                        GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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                        • Originally posted by myboynoah View Post
                          So, Kamala may have broken what's left of Trump's brain.

                          Did you see last night where he told everyone that would listen about all the "polls" that said he wont the debate by no less than 78%? Something like 10-15 polls, maybe 1000, ranging from 78% to 90% that Trump won, maybe be even a 100 we've heard some polls were a perfect 100% but I don't know about that, but we did very good tonight, marxist Kamala is a terrible person, she is Biden. She is Biden she owns the entire Biden record, all of the terrible economy, we handed over the greatest economy the world has ever seen and they took it and threw it in the toilet, Crooked Joe and Krazy Kamahla, they ruined everything its the worst its ever been, in Springfield -- in Springfield they are eating the dog and cats the people, they're immigrants they come from prisons and insane asylums from all over the world, millions of them, they pouring into our country, and its all because of Biden, and she owns all of that, the Biden-Harris administration, she's the architect of the entire border, she created it -- she invited-- invited all those criminals, those insane people, they're murders and rapists and every country in the world is sending their criminals to the United States of Biden because they know he'll let them in scot free, no questions asked. She'll give them all jobs, jobs that should be filled by blacks and hispanics, jobs that they want and they can't get because of the, all of the terrible terrible people that Biden, and she owns the entire Biden agenda, let in to our county. But we did very well tonight, she knows it, the country knows it, everybody knows it and you can see it in the polls, its not me saying it the people of this great country of ours, you have to fight for it or they are going to take it away from you. But we aren't going to let them do that, we aren't going to allow it to happen, but you've got to get out and vote, you've got to do it, after that you won't have to do it anymore but this one time you have to do it, you have to vote Trump or your won't have a country anymore.
                          Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.

                          "The only one of us who is so significant that Jeff owes us something simply because he decided to grace us with his presence is falafel." -- All-American

                          GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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                          • Breath, falafel, breath!
                            Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!

                            For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.

                            Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."

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                            • Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post

                              Yeesh. The word "nuance" is doing some heavy lifting there. Not a single one of those cases listed seem like a viable or defensible reason to kill a perfectly healthy late-term baby.



                              This is correct. A year or so ago I saw abortion data for the state of Utah prior to the Dobbs decision. Out of the thousands of abortions performed in Utah every year, only a few dozen involved rape, incest, or health of the child/mother. The overwhelming majority were for convenience.
                              Utah had 3k elective abortions in 2021. Half of the females getting abortions were using contraception during sex.

                              1500 cited socioeconomic difficulties as the reason
                              1000 cited elective
                              500 cited means of contraception

                              I’m sympathetic to the abortion hardliners as I can see their view point but I highly doubt these 3k females were simply making a life altering decision simply out of convenience.

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                              • Originally posted by falafel View Post

                                Did you see last night where he told everyone that would listen about all the "polls" that said he wont the debate by no less than 78%? Something like 10-15 polls, maybe 1000, ranging from 78% to 90% that Trump won, maybe be even a 100 we've heard some polls were a perfect 100% but I don't know about that, but we did very good tonight, marxist Kamala is a terrible person, she is Biden. She is Biden she owns the entire Biden record, all of the terrible economy, we handed over the greatest economy the world has ever seen and they took it and threw it in the toilet, Crooked Joe and Krazy Kamahla, they ruined everything its the worst its ever been, in Springfield -- in Springfield they are eating the dog and cats the people, they're immigrants they come from prisons and insane asylums from all over the world, millions of them, they pouring into our country, and its all because of Biden, and she owns all of that, the Biden-Harris administration, she's the architect of the entire border, she created it -- she invited-- invited all those criminals, those insane people, they're murders and rapists and every country in the world is sending their criminals to the United States of Biden because they know he'll let them in scot free, no questions asked. She'll give them all jobs, jobs that should be filled by blacks and hispanics, jobs that they want and they can't get because of the, all of the terrible terrible people that Biden, and she owns the entire Biden agenda, let in to our county. But we did very well tonight, she knows it, the country knows it, everybody knows it and you can see it in the polls, its not me saying it the people of this great country of ours, you have to fight for it or they are going to take it away from you. But we aren't going to let them do that, we aren't going to allow it to happen, but you've got to get out and vote, you've got to do it, after that you won't have to do it anymore but this one time you have to do it, you have to vote Trump or your won't have a country anymore.
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                                Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!

                                For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.

                                Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."

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