2024 Presidential Election Thread

[frank ryan]

Stop being so reasonable. There are only good and evil people and YOU HAVE TO PICK A SIDE.

I understand there is nuance. Musk has notoriously not been a great parent, and he very publicly and self-centeredly interjected himself into the national dialogue. I think W is a good example of a great parent and spouse, and Obama too. Clinton was regarded as a caring parent but I don't buy he was a great spouse. HW seemed like a good father and spouse.

Trump is not the ideal case study for being a great spouse and probably not the best parent. The things he says about Ivanka are really concerning and off.They were incestuous. A jury found allegations that he raped a women to be credible and he was buddies with Epstein. It's not an exercise in hyper partisanship to think he is not a good guy. We have a lifetime of his behaviors which can inform those opinions.

I don't get the criticism fired off at Harris for not having her own children and I think it's a bad look from conservatives.

[Uncle Ted]

Trump got the endorsement from the National Association of Police Organizations... I wonder why.

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[Uncle Ted]

well lets be honest about the "weird comments" on his daughter, telling everyone he wants to have sex with her since she was a child

Yeah, his daughter even wrote in her journal that he would shower naked with her...

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[Jeff Lebowski]

I'm aware of dead-naming. He dead-named his child during that interview with using her old name. His child tells a different story. One in which Elon wasn't father of the year. He's

"Elon Musk’s daughter Vivian Jenna Wilson painted a scathing picture of her father in an interview on Thursday, describing the billionaire as a cruel absentee father, who bullied her for appearing queer and feminine, then lied about her medical care as part of his recent turn towards attacking transgender people.

Musk, during a recent interview with psychologist and conservative commentator Jordan Peterson, misgendered Wilson, used her dead name, and described her coming out as transgender as being “killed by the woke mind virus.”

The comments inspired Wilson, now a 20-year-old college student studying languages, to offer her first public interview to NBC News.

“I think he was under the assumption that I wasn’t going to say anything and I would just let this go, unchallenged,” she said. “Which I’m not going to do because if you’re going to lie about me, like, blatantly to an audience of millions, I’m not just gonna let that slide.”

The 20-year-old accused Musk of largely being absent from her life despite holding joint custody, and of bullying her for being queer and exhibiting feminine traits, including allegedly urging her to lower her voice as a young child'

“I was in fourth grade. We went on this road trip that I didn’t know was actually just an advertisement for one of the cars — I don’t remember which one — and he was constantly yelling at me viciously because my voice was too high,” Wilson said. “It was cruel.”

Wilson, the daughter of Musk and his first wife, author Justine Musk, took particular issue with the billionaire’s claim in the Peterson interview that he had been “tricked” into approving gender-affirming medical care for the youth.

“He was not by any means tricked,” Wilson said, describing Musk’s decision to provide parental approval to care that came to include puberty blockers and hormone replacement therapy. She said her father read over medical documents about the care multiple times.

“They save lives. Let’s not get that twisted,” she said in the NBC interview. “They definitely allowed me to thrive.”


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b2586189.html

Puberty blockers for a child? That’s sad.

[frank ryan]

Puberty blockers for a child? That’s sad.

She is sad about being bullied by her father. He isn't some poor picked on father-of-the-year.

[Maximus]

Puberty blockers for a child? That’s sad.

thats the sad part takeaway?

[frank ryan]

Yeah, his daughter even wrote in her journal that he would shower naked with her...

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She didn't cause him of molesting her and she didn't appreciate the journal being stolen and constantly brought up on twitter. Besides, that doesn't make Trump walking in backstage during teen pageants when contestants were undressing or talking about Ivanka on Howard Stern ok.

[Jeff Lebowski]

She is sad about being bullied by her father. He isn't some poor picked on father-of-the-year.

How do you know that she is telling the truth and he isn’t? Seems like a pretty personal story.

[Uncle Ted]

How do you know that she is telling the truth and he isn’t? Seems like a pretty personal story.

He read it on 4Chan... it has to be true.

[Maximus]

How do you know that she is telling the truth and he isn’t? Seems like a pretty personal story.

Lol bro. It's elon.

I really can't believe you have no criticism of calling his child dead.

[frank ryan]

How do you know that she is telling the truth and he isn’t? Seems like a pretty personal story.

I think she is honestly speaking about her feelings. You think she is making it up? Not everyone who comes out as trans is manipulated by the "woke mind virus."

She has been really private until he decided to push it into the limelight. Why do you find him believable? She does to drop the last name. She also isn't alone in criticizing his parenting and family man persona.

[frank ryan]

He read it on 4Chan... it has to be true.

I don't go on 4chan.

[Moliere]

He's not a democrat. He's buddies with Putin though.

This might be my favorite frank Ryan post.

[Jeff Lebowski]

I think she is honestly speaking about her feelings. You think she is making it up? Not everyone who comes out as trans is manipulated by the "woke mind virus."

She has been really private until he decided to push it into the limelight. Why do you find him believable? She does to drop the last name. She also isn't alone in criticizing his parenting and family man persona.

In other words, this confirms your bias.

I hate Elon Musk too, but I I’ve seen enough stupid family drama to take sides in a sad mess like this.

[frank ryan]

In other words, this confirms your bias.

I hate Elon Musk too, but I I’ve seen enough stupid family drama to take sides in a sad mess like this.

You seem more inclined to want to give him the benefit of the doubt when I prefer to give it to her.

I'm not being unreasonable here. Not everyone who identifies as transgender regrets it or was manipulated into it by a "woke mind-virus."