2024 Presidential Election Thread

[Maximus]

Props to McConnell on that. I don't like the guy but I wish more people would make statements like that. He'll pay a price.

he has his chance. hed come crawling back in a nanosecond

[Jeff Lebowski]

he has his chance. hed come crawling back in a nanosecond

You know, it wouldn't kill you to admit when someone makes a good point.

[fusnik]

You know, it wouldn't kill you to admit when someone makes a good point.

Paul Ryan, the other day in an interview, said we can’t back Trump he’s a loser! Sununu says the same thing, McC has said he’d back Trump if he wins the nomination.

The main problem with the right is that no one save Mitt, Adam and Liz has said he’s unfit and shouldn’t be the nominee. They all say, we lose with him. The problem with that stance is the second he starts winning primaries they will all jump back on the Trump train and say, he’s winning again!

[Jeff Lebowski]

Paul Ryan, the other day in an interview, said we can’t back Trump he’s a loser! Sununu says the same thing, McC has said he’d back Trump if he wins the nomination.

The main problem with the right is that no one save Mitt, Adam and Liz has said he’s unfit and shouldn’t be the nominee. They all say, we lose with him. The problem with that stance is the second he starts winning primaries they will all jump back on the Trump train and say, he’s winning again!

Wait a minute. I thought Mitt and Liz "have the stink of Trump"? You are not going to start dabbling with nuance are you?

[fusnik]

Wait a minute. I thought Mitt and Liz "have the stink of Trump"? You are not going to start dabbling with nuance are you?

They aren’t palatable to folks like myself and a huge swath of center left voters, because they placated Trump for years.

I can’t trust Liz because she shoveled Trumps shit for 4 years and told those of us living in reality that we were the crazy ones not the cult members and GOP voters following in lock step with a would be dictator.

Again I’m glad she’s found Jesus, but she knew better and because she knew better and placed power and party over country she shouldn’t hold elected office.

This isn’t hard to understand nor controversial. Most here wouldn’t hire Trump to run a night shift at a convenience store yet the GOP supported and lauded that clown for 6 years and are poised to do it again.

[frank ryan]

Paul Ryan, the other day in an interview, said we can’t back Trump he’s a loser! Sununu says the same thing, McC has said he’d back Trump if he wins the nomination.

The main problem with the right is that no one save Mitt, Adam and Liz has said he’s unfit and shouldn’t be the nominee. They all say, we lose with him. The problem with that stance is the second he starts winning primaries they will all jump back on the Trump train and say, he’s winning again!

McConnell has definitely been a Trump enabler. He should've taken Trump's second impeachment as an opportunity to make a difference.

[Jeff Lebowski]

They aren’t palatable to folks like myself and a huge swath of center left voters, because they placated Trump for years.

I can’t trust Liz because she shoveled Trumps shit for 4 years and told those of us living in reality that we were the crazy ones not the cult members and GOP voters following in lock step with a would be dictator.

Again I’m glad she’s found Jesus, but she knew better and because she knew better and placed power and party over country she shouldn’t hold elected office.

This isn’t hard to understand nor controversial. Most here wouldn’t hire Trump to run a night shift at a convenience store yet the GOP supported and lauded that clown for 6 years and are poised to do it again.

"center left". That's funny.

[Maximus]

"center left". That's funny.

The right has moved so far right that he is indeed center.

who do you consider to be a moderate?

[Maximus]

Desantis is an evil person

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opini...47178664&ei=12

[Commando]

Desantis is an evil person

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opini...47178664&ei=12

No kidding. I think you can tell that without the literal stories of him laughing at human torture.

[Jeff Lebowski]

The right has moved so far right that he is indeed center.

who do you consider to be a moderate?

Ha. OK, sure.

The main problem with the US political climate is tribalism. It manifests in many ways, but here are a couple:

1) Believing that the other side is where all the problems are (using the word "evil" frequently, etc) and that your side is mostly immune.

2) Not being able to do something as simple as acknowledge when one of your political opponents do something right or make a good point without following it up with "Yeah, but he ...".

If you do this routinely, you are part of the problem.

[fusnik]

Ha. OK, sure.

The main problem with the US political climate is tribalism. It manifests in many ways, but here are a couple:

1) Believing that the other side is where all the problems are (using the word "evil" frequently, etc) and that your side is mostly immune.

2) Not being able to do something as simple as acknowledge when one of your political opponents do something right or make a good point without following it up with "Yeah, but he ...".

If you do this routinely, you are part of the problem.

Big yikes. I read stuff like this and I’m instantly reminded of the bubble of where so many in Utah reside.

Obvs you haven’t read my posts over the last 20 years.

I despise the Bernie Sanders left. I highly dislike the new left wave of progressive thought. It’s the reason why I pine for two rational healthy parties. When you have two healthy parties they can actually work together without fear of primary and excommunication.

Id lay the blame at the GOP at roughly 70-75% throughout the Obama years and at about 90% through the Trump years. I think that thought has been justified considering the rhetoric of the main stream right since 2008. Since Trump invaded our lives I can’t blame a democrat for not wanting to cut deals with the GOP. How can you work with the likes of Gaetz and MTG and Boebert and post Trump Rubio and Cruz, etc. These aren’t rational or good faith actors. They don’t want consensus or compromise. They want to create viral moments that Uncle Ted can spam here and IPU can post to his FB wall for the purposes of painting democrats as evil and owning the libs.

I guess you want the center left to just dismiss the last 15 years of the GOP turning into a racist, isolationist, and crazy party and extol the virtues of tax cuts for billionaires because sometimes the other side gets things right!

Sans J6 you might be able to forge that argument but it laid open the cravenness and rot for all to see of the Media right, the political right and the voting right.

[Moliere]

Desantis is an evil person

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opini...47178664&ei=12

No offense, but that article seems very sketchy. I’m not sure I’d take the word of a supposed terrorist on anything, especially in an opinion article.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Big yikes. I read stuff like this and I’m instantly reminded of the bubble of where so many in Utah reside.

Obvs you haven’t read my posts over the last 20 years.

I despise the Bernie Sanders left. I highly dislike the new left wave of progressive thought. It’s the reason why I pine for two rational healthy parties. When you have two healthy parties they can actually work together without fear of primary and excommunication.

Id lay the blame at the GOP at roughly 70-75% throughout the Obama years and at about 90% through the Trump years. I think that thought has been justified considering the rhetoric of the main stream right since 2008. Since Trump invaded our lives I can’t blame a democrat for not wanting to cut deals with the GOP. How can you work with the likes of Gaetz and MTG and Boebert and post Trump Rubio and Cruz, etc. These aren’t rational or good faith actors. They don’t want consensus or compromise. They want to create viral moments that Uncle Ted can spam here and IPU can post to his FB wall for the purposes of painting democrats as evil and owning the libs.

I guess you want the center left to just dismiss the last 15 years of the GOP turning into a racist, isolationist, and crazy party and extol the virtues of tax cuts for billionaires because sometimes the other side gets things right!

Sans J6 you might be able to forge that argument but it laid open the cravenness and rot for all to see of the Media right, the political right and the voting right.

Sorry, too many straw men here. Can't respond to them all today.

[falafel]

Desantis is an evil person

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opini...47178664&ei=12

The headline makes it sound like DeSantis was laughing while personally administering the torture.