2024 Presidential Election Thread

[fusnik]

No doubt. The guy was an all star diplomat/terrorist/intelligence operator. They lost a lot when he was killed. That's why I don't buy the "the Iranians needed a fake attack in order to save their honor" crap. They want blood.

I’ll defer to you when it comes to these types of suppositions. If I think about the timeline Trump would have us believe that in between Trumps speech about Suleiman dying like a dog and Iran’s retaliation that they he personally had a call with Iran’s military leaders to move millions of dollars of military equipment so that Iran could attack us and we’d be even Stevens?

I think the larger more disturbing point is, AA who is legitimately in person and practice, one of the smartest people walking the planet, is able to squirrel a justification for Trumps word vomit and essentially say, what Trump is saying and reality is basically the same. Like what? And USUC comes by and says well we don’t believe what he says we are just tribal? Again, what?

Anything regarding the military with Trump should immediately be discounted. He called fallen service folks suckers. If Shakas rich buddy who is a pillar of the community and who probably has spent time in Paris and Normandy looking at WW1 and WW2 sites and is still rocking with him, I question that man’s loyalty to our country. I’m almost to the point that if you vote for Trump and are a current or ex marine your ability to serve should be put into question.

[myboynoah]

I mean, we are on a BYU specific sports forum (in name at least). I am incredibly tribal. I'm a music snob. I loathe UofU athletics. And until recently I was quite proudly a part of a boisterous libertarian movement. I am often upset by Democrats and Republicans but my blood boils with hatred towards the LP and the capture of the libertarian sphere by crazy passersby and blood and soil types. Intellectually bankrupt hacks.

Don't bury the lede!

[All-American]

I think the larger more disturbing point is, AA who is legitimately in person and practice, one of the smartest people walking the planet, is able to squirrel a justification for Trumps word vomit and essentially say, what Trump is saying and reality is basically the same.

Fus, that's not even remotely accurate.

My post was a sincere question. Before seeing the video, I thought that Iran's reaction was a face-saving gesture, that the US had advance notice of what was about to happen (and prepared accordingly), and that this was generally known. The piece I had not heard suggested before was Trump's claim that Iran had been in direct communication with him all along. I was just asking what it was myboynoah believed was incorrect-- if it was just the new point about direct communication, or anything else about the episode. I asked specifically because I realize my assumptions could be mistaken-- and that may be the case, especially on the point of what was generally known.

I was not suggesting that what Trump was saying and reality was basically the same. I was asking for clarification-- not attempting justification.

[Clark Addison]

Fus, that's not even remotely accurate.

My post was a sincere question. Before seeing the video, I thought that Iran's reaction was a face-saving gesture, that the US had advance notice of what was about to happen (and prepared accordingly), and that this was generally known. The piece I had not heard suggested before was Trump's claim that Iran had been in direct communication with him all along. I was just asking what it was myboynoah believed was incorrect-- if it was just the new point about direct communication, or anything else about the episode. I asked specifically because I realize my assumptions could be mistaken-- and that may be the case, especially on the point of what was generally known.

I was not suggesting that what Trump was saying and reality was basically the same. I was asking for clarification-- not attempting justification.

FWIW when I read this I thought you were going to take exception to something else Fus said

[Jeff Lebowski]

FWIW when I read this I thought you were going to take exception to something else Fus said

Lol. When fus starts out by saying how smart a poster is, you know for sure he is going to proceed to characterize them as a complete idiot.

[All-American]

FWIW when I read this I thought you were going to take exception to something else Fus said

No reason to address that. Everyone knows that's not right.

There are rare occasions when I am the smartest person in the room-- namely, the brief window of time starting when I have entered a bathroom and closed the door, and ending just as I finish going #2.

[Bo Diddley]

FWIW when I read this I thought you were going to take exception to something else Fus said

[Bo Diddley]

When we took out Suleiman, we knew a kinetic response would be coming, so US forces hunkered down and moved or secured equipment as needed. I doubt very much there were back channel discussions about Iran's response, let alone a call to the POTUS.

[All-American]

As an aside, not having done much reading on the incident beforehand, I see several assertions that the US did know about the attack beforehand, but giving most credit to our own missile-detection systems. Also, when you read about the impact on soldiers in the blast zone-- scores of injuries, some serious, and at least one soldier committing suicide as a result of the ongoing medical issues he was living with-- if we really knew more about what was about to happen and didn't give these soldiers the protection they needed, then I am pissed. As bad as it would be if Trump is just flat-out lying, I would be even more upset if he were telling the truth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operat...rtyr_Soleimani

[Bo Diddley]

As an aside, not having done much reading on the incident beforehand, I see several assertions that the US did know about the attack beforehand, but giving most credit to our own missile-detection systems. Also, when you read about the impact on soldiers in the blast zone-- scores of injuries, some serious, and at least one soldier committing suicide as a result of the ongoing medical issues he was living with-- if we really knew more about what was about to happen and didn't give these soldiers the protection they needed, then I am pissed. As bad as it would be if Trump is just flat-out lying, I would be even more upset if he were telling the truth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operat...rtyr_Soleimani

If only we made soldiers like we used to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=106wzO01Zxc

[fusnik]

Fus, that's not even remotely accurate.

My post was a sincere question. Before seeing the video, I thought that Iran's reaction was a face-saving gesture, that the US had advance notice of what was about to happen (and prepared accordingly), and that this was generally known. The piece I had not heard suggested before was Trump's claim that Iran had been in direct communication with him all along. I was just asking what it was myboynoah believed was incorrect-- if it was just the new point about direct communication, or anything else about the episode. I asked specifically because I realize my assumptions could be mistaken-- and that may be the case, especially on the point of what was generally known.

I was not suggesting that what Trump was saying and reality was basically the same. I was asking for clarification-- not attempting justification.

Sincerely I think you are brilliant. We’ve been communicating on message boards for 20 years now and I admire all you’ve done since we first exchanged board mails on CB.

I just re-read what you posted and I’d disagree with your characterization of what you initially posted vs what you are posting here. It wasn’t a suggestion, Trump directly says, Iran called me, he didn’t allude, he explicitly said they called and when pressed on who he said Iran called me to let me know they’d hit back.

In your initial post you allude that the only real difference between your initial understanding of the events and Trumps version was a back channel vs direct contact with Trump. Therein lies my problem, you guys and I’ll say that broadly to mean the anti anti Trump guys, carry water for his madness. You might think I’m only asking questions but what you are doing is creating a permission structure to dismiss his lies as spin, or that we don’t take what he says seriously. I personally think it’s dangerous and smacks of privilege and naivete. It’s why Shaka uses his accomplished buddy as a human shield when discussing his obvious upcoming Trump vote. It’s the permission structure the folks on the right have created for Trump going on 9 years now.

Maybe I read your post wrong, I’m open to that.

[fusnik]

Lol. When fus starts out by saying how smart a poster is, you know for sure he is going to proceed to characterize them as a complete idiot.

There are some people here that I think are idiots, but mostly I think a growing group of you have idiotic beliefs. In general that’s ok. I believe in or behave in ways that a lot of people would think are idiotic.

[Bo Diddley]

There are some people here that I think are idiots, but mostly I think a growing group of you have idiotic beliefs. In general that’s ok. I believe in or behave in ways that a lot of people would think are idiotic.

[All-American]

Sincerely I think you are brilliant. We’ve been communicating on message boards for 20 years now and I admire all you’ve done since we first exchanged board mails on CB.

I just re-read what you posted and I’d disagree with your characterization of what you initially posted vs what you are posting here. It wasn’t a suggestion, Trump directly says, Iran called me, he didn’t allude, he explicitly said they called and when pressed on who he said Iran called me to let me know they’d hit back.

In your initial post you allude that the only real difference between your initial understanding of the events and Trumps version was a back channel vs direct contact with Trump. Therein lies my problem, you guys and I’ll say that broadly to mean the anti anti Trump guys, carry water for his madness. You might think I’m only asking questions but what you are doing is creating a permission structure to dismiss his lies as spin, or that we don’t take what he says seriously. I personally think it’s dangerous and smacks of privilege and naivete. It’s why Shaka uses his accomplished buddy as a human shield when discussing his obvious upcoming Trump vote. It’s the permission structure the folks on the right have created for Trump going on 9 years now.

Maybe I read your post wrong, I’m open to that.

Very respectfully: you're reading my post wrong.

Before Trump even opened his fool mouth, I thought the US had been told in advance that the attack was coming. I also thought that most people thought that. So, I asked for clarification, both on the underlying belief and whether that belief was shared. I've been duly corrected-- certainly on the latter point, and probably the former as well.

None of that has anything to do with Trump claiming Iran called him directly, which is not only incredible but frankly even more problematic even if it were true.

I react to this mostly to dispute the implication that I am an "anti anti Trump" guy or "carry water for his madness." I am not a Trump supporter. Never have been, can't imagine I ever will be.

[Non Sequitur]

No reason to address that. Everyone knows that's not right.

There are rare occasions when I am the smartest person in the room-- namely, the brief window of time starting when I have entered a bathroom and closed the door, and ending just as I finish going #2.

Give yourself some credit. There are many on the right where the #2 is the smartest in the room.