2024 Presidential Election Thread

[falafel]

LOL... even his own administration think he is mentally unfit. But we can take his word for it that he is not an “elderly man with a poor memory”.


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Yeah, his own administration.

[Commando]

To be fair, preferable to his crush on trump

Don't be fooled. That crush, while unrequited, is as strong as ever...

[BlueK]

Trump would encourage Russia to attack NATO countries that in his interpretation don't "pay their bills." It's Trump so it's ok to say, I guess. Can this asshole and national security threat just freaking die already?

[Commando]

Trump would encourage Russia to attack NATO countries that in his interpretation don't "pay their bills." It's Trump so it's ok to say, I guess. Can this asshole and national security threat just freaking die already?

I mean... let's not accuse him of being owned by Putin or being on Putin's payroll, but let's pretend for a second and suppose he was owned by Putin. How would he act any differently?

[BlueK]

I mean... let's not accuse him of being owned by Putin or being on Putin's payroll, but let's pretend for a second and suppose he was owned by Putin. How would he act any differently?

I happened to go to a Superbowl gathering hosted by members of my ward. It was all pretty good. But then at one point one guy started touting how great the Tucker Carlson interview of Putin was.

And yes, Trump doesn't actually have to be owned by Putin. It's already how he talks and behaves so it's irrelevant if Putin is actually verbally giving him an order. Trump always does what Putin wants.

[YOhio]

What Trump said was outrageous. That said, I don't think he gets sufficient credit for his administrations stance on Russia during his presidency. I think it can be argued that as president his policies were as tough on Russia as anyone since Reagan/GHWB. In a 2018 speech before the UN he warned that Germany was making a grave mistake in becoming dependent on Russian energy and delegates from Germany were openly laughing at him. He was correct. Contrast that with the Biden administrations ban on LNG exports, potentially putting our European allies in a position where they have to turn to Russia.

[USUC]

What Trump said was outrageous. That said, I don't think he gets sufficient credit for his administrations stance on Russia during his presidency. I think it can be argued that as president his policies were as tough on Russia as anyone since Reagan/GHWB. In a 2018 speech before the UN he warned that Germany was making a grave mistake in becoming dependent on Russian energy and delegates from Germany were openly laughing at him. He was correct. Contrast that with the Biden administrations ban on LNG exports, potentially putting our European allies in a position where they have to turn to Russia.

Biden has been awful on the foreign policy front. His limited "wins" have been support for Ukraine (although his support came late when earlier action could have prevented many of the current Russian strongholds) and his initial response to Oct 7, which now seems to be subsiding due to fears of a voting block in Michigan.

Trump is a wreckless psycho, but he cant get us out of NATO without congressional action, which he isnt going to get. Trump's foreign policy is the least of my concerns about him.

[Commando]

I happened to go to a Superbowl gathering hosted by members of my ward. It was all pretty good. But then at one point one guy started touting how great the Tucker Carlson interview of Putin was.

And yes, Trump doesn't actually have to be owned by Putin. It's already how he talks and behaves so it's irrelevant if Putin is actually verbally giving him an order. Trump always does what Putin wants.

lol remember when he stood next to Putin and defended him against a question about information from our foreign intelligence that he had been meddling in our elections? "I don't see any reason why he would" and then for once got so much blowback that he went on and claimed he meant to say 'wouldn't.' Trump supporters are the biggest mouth-breathing idiots. Objectively. Not even a political statement-- just the truth.

[BlueK]

Trump is a wreckless psycho, but he cant get us out of NATO without congressional action.

Thanks to legislation recently passed a few weeks ago.

[BigPiney]

I happened to go to a Superbowl gathering hosted by members of my ward. It was all pretty good. But then at one point one guy started touting how great the Tucker Carlson interview of Putin was.

And yes, Trump doesn't actually have to be owned by Putin. It's already how he talks and behaves so it's irrelevant if Putin is actually verbally giving him an order. Trump always does what Putin wants.

It is nice when morons self identify.

[BlueK]

What Trump said was outrageous. That said, I don't think he gets sufficient credit for his administrations stance on Russia during his presidency. I think it can be argued that as president his policies were as tough on Russia as anyone since Reagan/GHWB. In a 2018 speech before the UN he warned that Germany was making a grave mistake in becoming dependent on Russian energy and delegates from Germany were openly laughing at him. He was correct. Contrast that with the Biden administrations ban on LNG exports, potentially putting our European allies in a position where they have to turn to Russia.

I agree there were US policies not pro-Russia. But I don't believe Trump liked many of them but was limited to a great extent as he had a Congress and several within his administration who were not fans of Russia. One example was the bill to impose sanctons on Russia that he complained about but then signed when it was clear he would have been in for a very embarrassing veto override vote.

[Moliere]

Trump would encourage Russia to attack NATO countries that in his interpretation don't "pay their bills." It's Trump so it's ok to say, I guess. Can this asshole and national security threat just freaking die already?

And since it’s Trump, it’s not bluster. He’d do exactly what he says.

[Maximus]

Biden has been awful on the foreign policy front. His limited "wins" have been support for Ukraine (although his support came late when earlier action could have prevented many of the current Russian strongholds) and his initial response to Oct 7, which now seems to be subsiding due to fears of a voting block in Michigan.

Trump is a wreckless psycho, but he cant get us out of NATO without congressional action, which he isnt going to get. Trump's foreign policy is the least of my concerns about him.

Besides Afghanistan what has Biden been awful on?

And trump would be worse on all of ahem. You aren't worried he'd do russias bidding ?

[YOhio]

I agree there were US policies not pro-Russia. But I don't believe Trump liked many of them but was limited to a great extent as he had a Congress and several within his administration who were not fans of Russia. One example was the bill to impose sanctons on Russia that he complained about but then signed when it was clear he would have been in for a very embarrassing veto override vote.

I think you're probably right. Good callback on the sanctions bill. I'd forgotten about that.

[YOhio]

Besides Afghanistan what has Biden been awful on?

And trump would be worse on all of ahem. You aren't worried he'd do russias bidding ?

I think Afghanistan should be disqualifying for both Trump and Biden. Trump for an expedited withdrawal timeline, legitimizing the Taliban while undermining the then-existing government. Biden for continuing Trump's playbook and somehow making it worse.

I think placing an Iranian asset as Special US Envoy to Iran qualifies as awful. As well as about every other attempt this administration has made to bribe Iran into playing nice.