2024 Presidential Election Thread

[Jeff Lebowski]

I stopped worrying about that a long time ago. Remember when the GOP was the party of fiscal responsibility? Yeah, I'm having a hard time remember that as well.

This is a popular case of bothsideism, and you can find anecdotes to bolster your case, but I don't buy it and neither do most americans. From last September:

https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/first-read/nbc-news-poll-shows-gop-largest-ever-lead-economy-rcna117330

The latest NBC News poll finds Republicans with a 21-point advantage on which political party better handles the economy, with 49% of registered voters picking the GOP and 28% picking the Democratic Party.

That’s the largest lead Republicans have held on this question in our poll dating back to 1991.

I am aware that the economy has done well under democratic presidents. But I am talking about which party would most likely drive the economy into the ground if they had control of the WH, senate, and house? Recall our recent inflation and imagine how much worse it would have been had all of Biden's spending proposals been adopted, including that stupid student loan bailout. And which party is home to economic lunatics like Warren, Sanders, AOC, etc?

[USUC]

This is a popular case of bothsideism, and you can find anecdotes to bolster your case, but I don't buy it and neither do most americans. From last September:

https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/first-read/nbc-news-poll-shows-gop-largest-ever-lead-economy-rcna117330

I am aware that the economy has done well under democratic presidents. But I am talking about which party would most likely drive the economy into the ground if they had control of the WH, senate, and house? Recall our recent inflation and imagine how much worse it would have been had all of Biden's spending proposals been adopted, including that stupid student loan bailout. And which party is home to economic lunatics like Warren, Sanders, AOC, etc?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/robert-samuelson-do-democrats-run-the-economy-better-nope/2014/08/24/1e3d847c-2a0c-11e4-86ca-6f03cbd15c1a_story.html

It’s a Democratic campaign consultant’s dream: a study from two respected academic economists concluding that, since the late 1940s, the economy has consistently performed better under Democratic presidents than under Republican ones. The gap is huge. From 1949 to 2013 — a period when the White House was roughly split between parties — the economy grew at an average annual rate of 3.33 percent, but growth under Democratic presidents averaged 4.35 percent and under Republicans, 2.54 percent. Jobs, stocks and living standards all advanced faster under Democrats. ...

However

The parties have philosophical differences that affect the economy. To simplify slightly: Democrats focus more on jobs; Republicans more on inflation. What resulted was a cycle in which Democratic presidents tended to preside over expansions (usually worsening inflation) and Republicans suffered recessions (usually dampening inflation).
Students of the post-World War II economy know these cycles. The best examples include the 1960s Kennedy-Johnson boom, which lowered unemployment to 3.5 percent in 1969 and raised inflation (virtually nonexistent in 1960) to almost 6 percent. This was followed by two recessions in the Nixon-Ford years. Under Carter, the economy revived — but inflation spurted to 13 percent in 1980. Carter’s inflation bred the devastating 1981-1982 recession under Reagan. It pushed unemployment to 10.8 percent in late 1982 but ended double-digit inflation.

The implication is clear: If Republican presidents were saddled with most recessions, their growth and job creation records would naturally be worse. And that’s what the Blinder-Watson study shows. Since the late 1940s, the economy has spent about 12 years in recession. But 10 of those 12 years occurred under Republican presidents; only two occurred under Democrats. On average, the economy spent slightly more than a year in recession for each Republican term and only three months for each Democratic term.

[fusnik]

So Nevada, who hasn't voted for a Republican President since 2004, gives Trump 13% better than he did in 2020?

I know cannabis is legal here, but maybe the pollsters should lay off it.

Morning Consult / Emerson / Change all have Trump up.

It’s going to come down to four states, AZ, WI, NV, and GA. And Trump doesn’t need NV.

Multiple polls in AZ, WI and GA have Trump with a lead. The gold standard Marquette poll in WI has Biden up 2.

This after everything we know about Trump. I’m telling you a felony conviction isn’t going to move support.

[Applejack]

Morning Consult / Emerson / Change all have Trump up.

It’s going to come down to four states, AZ, WI, NV, and GA. And Trump doesn’t need NV.

Multiple polls in AZ, WI and GA have Trump with a lead. The gold standard Marquette poll in WI has Biden up 2.

This after everything we know about Trump. I’m telling you a felony conviction isn’t going to move support.

I agree. Trump could be elected (and probably would if the vote were today). There is no reason to look at polling outside of those handful of states that choose who the president will be.

[Applejack]

This is a popular case of bothsideism, and you can find anecdotes to bolster your case, but I don't buy it and neither do most americans. From last September:

https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/first-read/nbc-news-poll-shows-gop-largest-ever-lead-economy-rcna117330

I am aware that the economy has done well under democratic presidents. But I am talking about which party would most likely drive the economy into the ground if they had control of the WH, senate, and house? Recall our recent inflation and imagine how much worse it would have been had all of Biden's spending proposals been adopted, including that stupid student loan bailout. And which party is home to economic lunatics like Warren, Sanders, AOC, etc?

Don't forget the PPP! Biggest bailout in history.

[Maximus]

lol hawley

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[Northwestcoug]

lol hawley

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Not Hawley, but a similar level of buffoonery.

[smokymountainrain]

lol hawley

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yikes that's embarrassing.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Congressional hearings are a joke.

[Commando]

lol what are you allowed to say when getting racistly grilled by a U.S. senator? 'Senator... am I the first Asian you've met?'

[BlueK]

lol what are you allowed to say when getting racistly grilled by a U.S. senator? 'Senator... am I the first Asian you've met?'

They should engage bad actor members of Congress just like that..

[Jeff Lebowski]

lol what are you allowed to say when getting racistly grilled by a U.S. senator? 'Senator... am I the first Asian you've met?'

Haha. Yes.

"Senator, do all asian people look alike to you?"
"Senator, are you aware that Singapore is an independent nation, not a city in China?"

[YOhio]

I'm fine with Cotton's line of questioning. Chew is running a toxic company that does the bidding of the CCP and they've been caught lying multiple times in these congressional hearings. It's certainly not racist to ask the questions.


https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/21/b...tok-china.html

[myboynoah]

I'm fine with Cotton's line of questioning. Chew is running a toxic company that does the bidding of the CCP and they've been caught lying multiple times in these congressional hearings. It's certainly not racist to ask the questions.


https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/21/b...tok-china.html

Bingo. TikTok is just a tool for the CCP.

Very difficult to watch total buffoons actually make sense.

[YOhio]

Bingo. TikTok is just a tool for the CCP.

Very difficult to watch total buffoons actually make sense.

“Be willing to receive the truth, let it come from whom it may; no difference, not a particle.”

-Brigham Young