2024 Presidential Election Thread

[All-American]

I was being sarcastic. I've never worried about you voting for Trump. I know you vote third party or write people in.

No, I got it. That’s why I laughed.

[frank ryan]

Doesn't even matter if you vote for Biden, if there is a single R on your ballot you are ENABLING THE POWER STRUCTURE.

What do you think or hope people should do in term of the next election?

[chrisrenrut]

I disagree with Fusnik’s approach, but I do agree that a vote for anyone other than Biden is a half-vote for Trump.

Your vote may not add to Trump’s total, but it takes away a vote from the one person that can defeat Trump. If enough people abstain, vote for Kennedy or write in someone, it could have a real effect on the outcome.

In normal times as and independent, I would vote for the person who I think will be the best leader of the country first, and politics and policy second. But with Trump as a nominee, these are not normal times.

[Jeff Lebowski]

I disagree with Fusnik’s approach, but I do agree that a vote for anyone other than Biden is a half-vote for Trump.

Your vote may not add to Trump’s total, but it takes away a vote from the one person that can defeat Trump. If enough people abstain, vote for Kennedy or write in someone, it could have a real effect on the outcome.

In normal times as and independent, I would vote for the person who I think will be the best leader of the country first, and politics and policy second. But with Trump as a nominee, these are not normal times.

I agree with this.

[beefytee]

I don’t agree with this. I think it is always best to vote for the candidate who you support the most. Strategic voting is part of the problem where people are settling for candidates they don’t like over candidates they would prefer. It results in worse leaders.

Besides that, AA is right, your vote doesn’t matter, i.e you’re single vote in unlikely to make any difference. It is mostly an opportunity to express yourself. One I consider very important.

For the record, the candidate I support the most in this election is Biden.

[SteelBlue]

Can somebody tell those douche nozzles to wear an undershirt and button up their dress shirts? WTF are they doing? I somehow feel embarrassed for Barron Trump that these guys surrounded him and posted up a pic with him...

*is that guy on the left wearing Crocs with his suit w the unbuttoned shirt?

One hallmark of MAGA is obliviousness to all things art, including style. They are either in poorly tailored, frumpy suits or they go way over the top, like wearing a waistcoat and then unbuttoning the dress shirt like they're on the cover of a romance novel, or thinking Crocs were the right call.

[frank ryan]

I disagree with Fusnik’s approach, but I do agree that a vote for anyone other than Biden is a half-vote for Trump.

Your vote may not add to Trump’s total, but it takes away a vote from the one person that can defeat Trump. If enough people abstain, vote for Kennedy or write in someone, it could have a real effect on the outcome.

In normal times as and independent, I would vote for the person who I think will be the best leader of the country first, and politics and policy second. But with Trump as a nominee, these are not normal times.

Very well explained.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Besides that, AA is right, your vote doesn’t matter, i.e you’re single vote in unlikely to make any difference. It is mostly an opportunity to express yourself. One I consider very important.

This is a pet peeve of mine. Yes, in a vacuum your vote *by itself* won't make a difference. Collectively our votes do indeed matter. So if you promote a narrative that nobody's votes matter, it potentially influences a significant number of people to vote non-strategically, which collectively could make a huge difference.

[SteelBlue]

I have no problem with people who vote for an alternative candidate because they believe in said candidate more than the two mainstream options. I have zero respect for people like some Mormons and others of faith who simply cannot stomach voting for a Democrat, as though doing so were some kind of sin. If you were never even able to consider that the Dem was the better option, your "protest vote" was cowardly (to me).

[beefytee]

This is a pet peeve of mine. Yes, in a vacuum your vote *by itself* won't make a difference. Collectively our votes do indeed matter. So if you promote a narrative that nobody's votes matter, it potentially influences a significant number of people to vote non-strategically, which collectively could make a huge difference.

If it can potentially make a huge difference, all the more reason to vote for the person you support the most. If enough can be swayed then they can get elected.

You can’t have it both ways. either the vote matters and you should vote for who you support or your vote doesn’t matter so vote for whoever you want.

Do you think voting “strategically” will make any difference in Utah?

Do you think Evan McMullen cost Hillary Clinton Utah? I don’t.

[All-American]

This is a pet peeve of mine. Yes, in a vacuum your vote *by itself* won't make a difference. Collectively our votes do indeed matter. So if you promote a narrative that nobody's votes matter, it potentially influences a significant number of people to vote non-strategically, which collectively could make a huge difference.

I've never been a fan of the idea that we shouldn't tell people the truth lest they act accordingly.

[Jeff Lebowski]

If it can potentially make a huge difference, all the more reason to vote for the person you support the most. If enough can be swayed then they can get elected.

You can’t have it both ways. either the vote matters and you should vote for who you support or your vote doesn’t matter so vote for whoever you want.

Do you think voting “strategically” will make any difference in Utah?

Do you think Evan McMullen cost Hillary Clinton Utah? I don’t.

Across the entire electorate of the US, if enough people believe that their vote doesn't matter so why bother to vote for a shitty candidate like Joe Biden even though Trump is worse, then yes it very much could impact the outcome of the election.

[beefytee]

Across the entire electorate of the US, if enough people believe that their vote doesn't matter so why bother to vote for a shitty candidate like Joe Biden even though Trump is worse, then yes it very much could impact the outcome of the election.

Not voting is much different from voting for the candidate you support the most.

[YOhio]

I'm a big fan of voting however I like even if my favorite internet friends disagree with, mock, or condemn this approach.

[frank ryan]

Not voting is much different from voting for the candidate you support the most.

Voting to help a candidate to victory is one things. But voting tallies can give candidates a sense of mandate or a sense of caution because of the results being tight.