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Only so we would know the mystery.Get confident, stupid
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I didnt know this. Interesting.Originally posted by Solon View PostFitter. Happier. More Productive.
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Eh, I came inside during nap time for kid #2. Just enough time for some drunk guy to hit on my wife. Lucky for me, he struck out.Originally posted by Mormon Red Death View Post
mexico doesn't care about Bednar's remarks either."More crazy people to Provo go than to any other town in the state."
-- Iron County Record. 23 August, 1912. (http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lc...23/ed-1/seq-4/)Comment
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FIFYOriginally posted by SoonerCoug View Post"Seriously, is there a bigger high on the whole face of the earth than eating a salad?"--SeattleUte
"The only Ute to cause even half the nationwide hysteria of Jimmermania was Ted Bundy."--TripletDaddy
This is a tough, NYC broad, a doctor who deals with bleeding organs, dying people and testicles on a regular basis without crying."--oxcoug
"I'm not impressed (and I'm even into choreography . . .)"--Donuthole
"I too was fortunate to leave with my same balls."--byu71Comment
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K. Tell me why my underwear is sacred.Originally posted by Lost Student View PostThat which may be asserted without evidence may be dismissed without evidence. -C. Hitchens
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I am sure yours is not.Originally posted by SoonerCoug View Post"Guitar groups are on their way out, Mr Epstein."
Upon rejecting the Beatles, Dick Rowe told Brian Epstein of the January 1, 1962 audition for Decca, which signed Brian Poole and the Tremeloes instead.Comment
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I'll mail you a pair of mine if you want to double check. Do you prefer dirty or clean?Originally posted by Topper View PostThat which may be asserted without evidence may be dismissed without evidence. -C. Hitchens
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Nothing about you is sacred but I am no alter boy either."Guitar groups are on their way out, Mr Epstein."
Upon rejecting the Beatles, Dick Rowe told Brian Epstein of the January 1, 1962 audition for Decca, which signed Brian Poole and the Tremeloes instead.Comment
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I think LS was just making a joke about the old Mormon meme of "sacred vs secret". I don't think it was intended as a negative towards you or your specific underwear (garment of the holy priesthood).Originally posted by SoonerCoug View PostGet confident, stupid
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But please don't tell us why your underwear is holy.Originally posted by HuskyFreeNorthwest View PostComment
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Dude, apologies. What an ignorant ass I was. Stupid kids who need time to let their brains and opinions form . . . I'm so embarrassed.Originally posted by SoonerCoug View Post
But I actually remember that moment, and I'm not embarrassed. I remember defending evolution as a method of godly creation, not as a falsehood. That's what I still think.
What I don't get about the new atheists like you is how certain you are in your positions, and how shallowly the Dawkins horde reject and ridicule faith. At least Nietzsche had the propriety and sense to mourn what was lost.
You asked me to provide "scientific proof" of God's existence. Of course there isn't any such evidence in the test tube of science. But God doesn't need or apparently want our scientific ways to prove his existence. The miracle of our existence --- what makes us human: consciousness, love, sacrifice, humility, self-sacrifice, longing, the pull upwards --- is all the proof that's needed.
You remind me of the ant in the ant cage ridiculing the rest of the colony for their stupidity because they believe in the ant caretaker, as you scurry through the tunnels of the plastic-enclosed ant colony as your caretaker watches you.
By the way, extreme examples and the slippery slope --- your modus operandi in argument --- are ridiculous. The slippery slope proves nothing. It's the same reason I don't ridicule atheists for the like of Stalin.Comment
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Levin,
The only reason you believe in your religion is because you were born at a certain time in a certain place. Humans have existed for 200,000 years. Mormonism has existed for less than 200 and Christianity for just 2000. You're lecturing me about humility? How arrogant to believe that of all the faiths humans have had in history and all the various Gods that you somehow were born into a situation where you've got the right God!
With regard to Mormonism, it's central canon is demonstrably fake. I have no doubt that most of the Bible is a collection of fables or tall tales although I do not doubt that Jesus Christ was a real person.
The human characteristics you cite as proof that God exists are characteristics shared with all the great apes.
SoonerCougLast edited by SoonerCoug; 07-13-2014, 07:28 AM.That which may be asserted without evidence may be dismissed without evidence. -C. Hitchens
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And if you disbelieve that the great apes have those characteristics, then what about this ancestor of ours?
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Where do you draw the line in the continuum between human and non-human? When does the human afterlife start and end? Do Neanderthals qualify? Homo erectus? Habilis? Heidelbergensis? Australopithecus afarensis? Ardipithecus?
Did Neanderthals have souls? They could interbreed with us but are considered quite distinct from us. Three percent of non-east-African Homo sapiens DNA is Neanderthal. Shouldn't that mean that Neanderthals get to go to the CK with the rest of us?
Tell me who gets to go to the celestial kingdom. Only Homo sapiens? All of these species had love and almost certainly even faith of some sort.
The typical answer to these questions is: "who cares" or "only god knows"
But I think this question matters. At which generation could God draw the line? Do you honestly believe that there was a sudden moment when Homo sapiens had souls breathed into them? In other words, mom and dad lacked souls and then in a single generation God suddenly gave them souls with "human" characteristics that you cite as evidence for God's existence? So that 198,000 years later Jesus could be born and die on a cross for everyone's sins and 200,000 years later Joseph Smith could receive golden plates from an angel so that he could restore the one true religion?Last edited by SoonerCoug; 07-13-2014, 07:55 AM.That which may be asserted without evidence may be dismissed without evidence. -C. Hitchens
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Depends on whether or not we will be allowed to do temple work outside the species. If so, then I think the ck may have Neanderthals, etc.Originally posted by SoonerCoug View PostComment
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