Elderbednarophobia

[SeattleUte]

Sooner hasn't changed. He's the same as he's always been.

[Commando]

That's more like it, another pearl of great price from Sooner's experience that mentions some idiosyncrasy of Mormon culture. I enjoy reading stuff like that as it helps me to realize that some of the quirkiness of my own upringing may not have been so unusual. But deriding a Bednar talk at Rick's College is weak sause. Hope this lashing out is just a stage and that at some point you will experience a change of heart because you have so much potential. I, for one, look forward to the day when you return to the fold and are called to serve in the mission field, yet again, to a place like Russia where you can chronicle more pearls of great price via your Ipad. Now that would get me to subscribe to twitter!

On a different note, I do get a chuckle about LDS scientists not being able to think critically. My father is a scientist and I had the benefit of being reared in a college town where much of the ward were also scientists who taught me in Sunday School, YMs, etc. But that was before correlation had taken hold, perhaps we enjoyed a little more freedom in the midwest than in the Mormon west. Anyway, it made for some interesting experiences but I've never thought these highly educated people, whom I have come to appreciate even more later in life, lacked the ability to think critically. I do think in this current era of correlation we see less evidence of this in formal church settings, but that doesn't mean that scientists or others have somehow not developed or lost the ability to think critically.

1. I like the term "Pearl of Great Price" as a stand-in for the old, sarcastic/pejorative "chestnut."

2. I can relate to your different note. I am currently in a pretty affluent ward dominated by M.D.s, JDs and PhDs. Sunday school is pretty fun because of the good historical, contextual, and critical doctrinal discussion, not because there are like minded people there to make me feel good about teachings I blindly accept.

[Commando]

Sooner hasn't changed. He's the same as he's always been.

I have to agree based on this new information. It also sheds light on his less-than-glowing reviews of his mission. That takes balls to just march off into the sunset to teach something for 2 years that you have never believed! I dare say his sacrifice for the Church was as great as any- I don't doubt he will receive his just blessings for that sacrifice.

[Topper]

That's more like it, another pearl of great price from Sooner's experience that mentions some idiosyncrasy of Mormon culture. I enjoy reading stuff like that as it helps me to realize that some of the quirkiness of my own upringing may not have been so unusual. But deriding a Bednar talk at Rick's College is weak sause. Hope this lashing out is just a stage and that at some point you will experience a change of heart because you have so much potential. I, for one, look forward to the day when you return to the fold and are called to serve in the mission field, yet again, to a place like Russia where you can chronicle more pearls of great price via your Ipad. Now that would get me to subscribe to twitter!

On a different note, I do get a chuckle about LDS scientists not being able to think critically. My father is a scientist and I had the benefit of being reared in a college town where much of the ward were also scientists who taught me in Sunday School, YMs, etc. But that was before correlation had taken hold, perhaps we enjoyed a little more freedom in the midwest than in the Mormon west. Anyway, it made for some interesting experiences but I've never thought these highly educated people, whom I have come to appreciate even more later in life, lacked the ability to think critically. I do think in this current era of correlation we see less evidence of this in formal church settings, but that doesn't mean that scientists or others have somehow not developed or lost the ability to think critically.

It would be unfair and incorrect to argue LDS scientists don't think critically. How else could they succeed in their professions? Perhaps they do not examine theological claims in the same critical manner that they perform their profession, because that is not how they perceive it to be useful.

[SeattleUte]

Sooner is a damning indictment of "inoculation". If you want your kids to grow up stalwart LDS treat them like mushrooms, send them to BYU, and hope to god they don't get for a professor that is formative some closet unbeliever (there are secret cells of them at BYU, I've observed) .

[Blueintheface]

Damn. If I were a better scientist I could prove my theory that angry exmo's live a shorter life than the average person, Mormon or otherwise.

[Northwestcoug]

You make some points, but we put a man on the moon when our country was much more religious than it is today. My father was a physicist who worked with lasers. His religious beliefs never interfered with his work. You say our science has succeeded because of H1B visas. My company out-sources a lot of its business to India, and that country is much more religious than ours. I share your disappointment with the way gays are treated by religious people, but it's not because of a belief in God, it's because they use religion to justify their own bigotry that would likely exist whether they were religious or not. When the USSR outlawed religion, it didn't fix societal ills. People still found ways to hate each other. Yeah, it's sad that people die because they allow religious beliefs because they reject treatment, but that's rare. Hospitals are teeming with religious people allowing themselves to be treated.

This isn't the case in my circles. I don't know anyone outside of religious influence that is overtly homophobic enough to declare it publicly. There are some I'm sure, but I just don't see anti-gay opinion unless they believe God wants them to believe that way.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Sooner is a damning indictment of "inoculation". If you want your kids to grow up stalwart LDS treat them like mushrooms, send them to BYU, and hope to god they don't get for a professor that is formative some closet unbeliever (there are secret cells of them at BYU, I've observed) .

On the other hand, his brother is a nice example of the benefits of inoculation. You win some, you lose some.

[Solon]

I respect him because he still rolls g-style, which is pretty bold when you consider that due to recommend purchasing requirements those things have to be pretty threadbare.

You can buy Gs with just your member number if you don't have a current TR, FWIW. I look forward to the day where I can teach YOhio a thing or two about jack-mormonism. Although, the Carbon County in his bloodstream probably gives him an insurmountable natural advantage.

Sooner might be the greatest thread-starter in history. I appreciate his thoughts and willingness to carry the Foyer. This place would struggle without him.

For the record, I shrugged at Bednar's comments. I don't really expect him to say anything very different.
He's a business PhD. Those kinds of guys are wired to run the Church.

[Mormon Red Death]

You can buy Gs with just your member number if you don't have a current TR, FWIW. I look forward to the day where I can teach YOhio a thing or two about jack-mormonism. Although, the Carbon County in his bloodstream probably gives him an insurmountable natural advantage.

Sooner might be the greatest thread-starter in history. I appreciate his thoughts and willingness to carry the Foyer. This place would struggle without him.

For the record, I shrugged at Bednar's comments. I don't really expect him to say anything very different.
He's a business PhD. Those kinds of guys are wired to run the Church.

Why are you on the interwebs? Shouldn't you be at the beach?

[Topper]

You can buy Gs with just your member number if you don't have a current TR, FWIW. I look forward to the day where I can teach YOhio a thing or two about jack-mormonism. Although, the Carbon County in his bloodstream probably gives him an insurmountable natural advantage.

Sooner might be the greatest thread-starter in history. I appreciate his thoughts and willingness to carry the Foyer. This place would struggle without him.

For the record, I shrugged at Bednar's comments. I don't really expect him to say anything very different.
He's a business PhD. Those kinds of guys are wired to run the Church.

If it comes from any of the orthodox hardliners, I usually just tune out the message because you can't expect them to say much of value. I listen to those who resonate with me, Uchtdorf and a few others. Oaks is one who is becoming more difficult to listen to. I liked him very much when he was President of BYU.

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

I can see you're going through a faith crisis right now and you have some reservations about the truthfulness claims made by the LDS church. Just keep reading your scriptures, attending church and saying your prayers and I have a feeling that things will turn out just fine. Good luck!

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[SoonerCoug]

Since you guys are all so curious about my underwear and where I buy it, I think I'll just keep it a secret to enhance the mystery.

[SoonerCoug]

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Terrible quote. Bad Uchtdorf.

[YOhio]

Since you guys are all so curious about my underwear and where I buy it, I think I'll just keep it a secret to enhance the mystery.

You're the one who brought it up.