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[Pheidippides]

misso ovary

heh.

[Topper]

Damn spellchecker.

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[All-American]

Why on earth do they need to "discipline" her? The idea that the Church has to "protect itself" is totally nutty. This disciplinary action clearly harms the Church. Furthermore, she's expressing her opinion. What the hell is wrong with expressing an opinion in America? This isn't Iran for hell's sake.

Donald Sterling would agree with you.

It's like we are all part of a law firm that has a policy that only men can be partners. One of the female associates is saying that policy is wrong and so she is being summarily fired. It defies all common sense and logic obviously for women not to have the priesthood, but all the more to punish a woman for simply pointing out the obvious discrimination and injustice and asking for a change.

I don't expect you to answer but just wanted to throw that out there and would love to hear you sum up your rationale for the church imposing "discipline" in a sentence or two.

My rationale is very simple: a member in good standing doesn't stage protests during worship services, and doesn't actively proselyte doctrines that the church has stated to be inconsistent with its teachings.

I'm actually very sympathetic to the idea that women should have more meaningful roles in Mormon society. But OW's tactics are totally inappropriate.

[All-American]

I don't see how the church can credibly claim that they are not misogynistic after this, even if the excommunication doesn't happen (don't bother, AA - I'm using the word whether you like it or not) and expect anybody to believe them other than those who are inside. Same thing as 1978 - the church still is suffering from a racist perception. See, e.g., the Book of Mormon musical. That doesn't wash off, and in 20 years when women get ordained (yes, I'm calling it) it will be yet another embarrassing thing to deal with in history. There are enough embarrassing things in church history to fill books; why make more?

I'm speaking of the church as an entity unto itself as being misogynistic/racist - I'm not talking about any specific individuals.

You can use the word all you like. You and I both know it's the wrong word.

[Pheidippides]

You can use the word all you like. You and I both know it's the wrong word.

Bullshit. It's a matter of opinion. And in my opinion the entire organization is misogynist. Thanks for trying the mindreading thing though.

[All-American]

Bullshit. It's a matter of opinion. And in my opinion the entire organization is misogynist. Thanks for trying the mindreading thing though.

Okay, maybe you don't know that it's the wrong word. But it is the wrong word, whether you know it or not.

[ERCougar]

Donald Sterling would agree with you.



My rationale is very simple: a member in good standing doesn't stage protests during worship services, and doesn't actively proselyte doctrines that the church has stated to be inconsistent with its teachings.

I'm actually very sympathetic to the idea that women should have more meaningful roles in Mormon society. But OW's tactics are totally inappropriate.

Your mental gymnastics are just getting laughable at this point.

The huge difference between Donald Sterling and Kate Kelly is that Kate Kelly's membership is unquestionably a good thing in the eyes of the world. An educated female human rights attorney claiming a religion with a really dubious history wrt to civil rights and sexism? (I can't believe I even have to point this out.)

What Ordain Women did at GC was hardly a "protest".

What would be an appropriate tactic for OW? I'm still waiting for a reasonable answer to this question.

[CardiacCoug]

Wow!

Btw, everyone should know their employment situation since she publicly posted it...and it looks like her reasons for posting it are working.

I haven't looked it up yet. Maybe I'm idealizing lawyers too much but I was thinking being a lawyer had something to do with upholding fairness and justice and this is the opposite of that, a PR nightmare, etc.

I'm sorry, but to wish job loss on anyone is just terrible. You may not agree with them but I don't think they are getting any joy out of this. And even if they are, to wish the loss of a job and livelihood on these men seems heartless.

Yeah losing a job is tough -- probably not as tough as what Kate is going through.

[All-American]

Your mental gymnastics are just getting laughable at this point.

The huge difference between Donald Sterling and Kate Kelly is that Kate Kelly's membership is unquestionably a good thing in the eyes of the world. An educated female human rights attorney claiming a religion with a really dubious history wrt to civil rights and sexism? (I can't believe I even have to point this out.)

If you're arguing that this is a free speech issue, then the content of the speech shouldn't matter.

What Ordain Women did at GC was hardly a "protest".

A "demonstration," then.

What would be an appropriate tactic for OW? I'm still waiting for a reasonable answer to this question.

Not stage demonstrations. How about that?

[CardiacCoug]

Donald Sterling would agree with you.

Awesome! LOL!

Sorry, the Church is Donald Sterling here.

[ERCougar]

If you're arguing that this is a free speech issue, then the content of the speech shouldn't matter.

A "demonstration," then.

Not stage demonstrations. How about that?

I'm not arguing it's a free speech issue. I don't think the NBA is either.

Still waiting for an answer to my last question. Why is this so hard?

[All-American]

I'm not arguing it's a free speech issue. I don't think the NBA is either.

exactly-- because it isn't. So much for the Iran v. America argument.

Still waiting for an answer to my last question. Why is this so hard?

I gave it to you. Read again.

[ERCougar]

exactly-- because it isn't. So much for the Iran v. America argument.



I gave it to you. Read again.

Um...you might want to read again.
It's ok...reading is hard!

[All-American]

Um...you might want to read again.
It's ok...reading is hard!

I did. My last answer still stands.

[ERCougar]

I did. My last answer still stands.

Examples of appropriate actions for Kate Kelly to have pursued, since they all fit the description of "not stage demonstration":
Bomb the COB.
Start baptizing and performing priesthood blessings.
Poisoning all members of the 12 who don't hail from Germany.
etc.

I think I'd prefer her method. Sorry!